Mind Blowing American History Facts That Will Shock You?

@KeithMalinak (00:02.213)
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And please like, subscribe, leave a review, only if it's a positive review though. You rate it, whatever the kids do with the podcast. Okay. Enough of this babbling. I'm so excited for this show today because the topic that we're going to be discussing on the deep dive is underrated founding fathers. And there are sure we get taught a handful of them and you get maybe a paragraph or two.

if you're lucky in your scholastic history books. then of course, half of what you learn about more than half in some cases are just boy, they, those guys sucked, right? Man, white privilege and slave owners and all that good stuff. are so many founding fathers that you never even hear their names. And it's, it's quite a disservice because there were so many people, founding fathers, founding mothers.

@KeithMalinak (04:54.614)
black individuals that never get the time of day in these history books. And there's so many names that you just need to know and make sure your kids learn about them. And here's a thing. I just occurred to me. If your kid ever gets an assignment, you know, pick a person in history or pick a founding father. Don't let him. John Adams. Fine. That's great. Thomas Jefferson. I love him to pieces.

send them in there with someone like a Benjamin Rush. Huh? Ha ha! There are so many individuals in our nation's story that deserve to have their story told. And I'll tell you, one of greatest storytellers I know is this guy right here, Ed McCray. If you aren't familiar with him, honestly, and by the way, I'm gonna need some feedback.

@Real_Ed_McCray (05:44.002)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (05:49.346)
on how the audio levels are, because without Wes today, we couldn't do a mic check. So we did the best we could. So please comment, and I'll try to see if there's some sort of issue there. Now, what I started to say is, I don't know, what was it, about a year and a half ago now? Over a year ago.

@Real_Ed_McCray (05:51.704)
Yeah, we did the best we could.

@Real_Ed_McCray (06:09.184)
We just finished a year ago, this week or last week. Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (06:11.504)
wow, look at you. Okay, so, and what we're referring to is a series of 12 episodes on the YouTube channel. And I should pin these to the top of my Twitter profile, now that I think about it. But we did a dozen conversations, you and I, Mr. Ed McCray, and all about the real history.

of Walt Disney, his story, the company's story, not the woke rewrite that you get, but the actual facts about the man and his legacy. And I would encourage you to go, it's its own playlist over at youtube.com slash at at the mic. Now, so it's got his own playlist, 12 episodes. But then out of that, the really exciting thing is that Ed picked up the ball and ran with it.

@Real_Ed_McCray (07:03.416)
Yeah

@KeithMalinak (07:04.598)
to his own Rumble channel.

@Real_Ed_McCray (07:06.786)
Yeah, we're rediscovering Walt Disney.

@KeithMalinak (07:09.206)
Rediscovering Walt Disney, that's the name of the channel, yeah? And how often are you putting stuff out over there? What's the latest that you've been working on?

@Real_Ed_McCray (07:11.66)
Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I've been doing original ones right now I've been taking Walt's written words and putting out a simulation in an artificial intelligence voice I still do a lot of testing with it and it's made a lot of people mad because the first things I did where he wrote three essays on his Christian faith and they're all done up there now I've got all three done and The one was a couple years before he died and it was pretty much the whole arc of his whole career was was all about his faith and I illustrated it with

clips from almost all of his films. And so you can see him, these are all authentic words, and when I put them up on Twitter, I have a thread and I put the printed material there so you can see what it looks like. the one is, the last one I did was his guidepost article, and that was the first one he wrote, and it's got the image of Donald and Mickey taking their families to church, and that's why I think that one's been erased.

@KeithMalinak (08:06.658)
no! my goodness! If the left finds out about- wait, you're saying... Okay. What?

@Real_Ed_McCray (08:12.368)
they already have. got got doxed and everything for that one. They keep me putting words in Walt's mouth and and I said you can read it right here and they pulled up our videos and we're picking on things and woke people. Well, one of them had an ID that was something like Maga Hunter. So that tells you. Yeah, but even.

@KeithMalinak (08:18.391)
@KeithMalinak (08:23.82)
kind of weird cyberstalkers do you have, man?

@KeithMalinak (08:33.098)
Everything you need to know right there. Wow. Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (08:36.406)
I've been I've got that going with it with that I've been putting up all the vintage stuff that was throwaway stuff like the broadcasts of the parades and everything but I've been put all the stuff back in them like I've got all the Independence Day parades there now from the 80s and There's one of them there with Regis and Kathie Lee they sing a song praising America and the country bears come out and and Mickey and all the characters they they do the preamble of and you know, and you would never see that now and and I put

@KeithMalinak (08:58.636)
No, no

@Real_Ed_McCray (09:03.446)
I don't have everything there, when I'm all done, you'll be able to see Disneyland, the whole history of it, from when Walt was proposing it on television, every special they did, all the way to the end of the 20th century. And that's there because Abigail Disney is always putting these clips out there out of context, saying it's racist. Like they had the American Indian Village. I'm trying not to talk a lot about the Disney thing, but with that, I've...

@KeithMalinak (09:14.444)
Okay?

@KeithMalinak (09:24.587)
Okay.

@KeithMalinak (09:29.44)
No, we need to know what we gotta get over there.

@Real_Ed_McCray (09:32.958)
I've been posting this stuff on Twitter because I'm making my own videos, but I've gone through the Company Magazine and they would highlight all the American Indian Chiefs of this village. They'd do like a profile on them. a lot of people never went through the magazines, but a lot of them are on Internet Archive. I've got one thing. I'll be posting this within the artificial Walt Voice. He did a whole interview where he talked about morality in films and he didn't like sex and swearing in the films.

He that's gonna be up on there soon and I just go I've been going through all the stuff and what I'm doing though for my with videos instead of doing a podcast I'm doing videos about Walt's faith and you're gonna follow the whole thing the faith battle over the Disney Company and I'm going through all the old stuff with I'm trying to acquire a lot of the print media and the records and things from a lot of the stuff's going to be 70 and 80 years old

And have a give send go up if you want to contribute for this because this stuff is going to be lost soon and We're at rediscovering Walt Disney's pin on the top of my Twitter page

@KeithMalinak (10:36.534)
Yeah, that's true. GIFsyn go slash what?

Rescub.

Okay, and there's his handle right there at real underscore ed underscore McCray and by the way you taught me or you informed me of Something that I had never heard of called America's Stonehenge don't don't get into it right now because because That is gonna be next week's deep dive. Thank you Ed McCray. I Did I did so we're gonna talk about that so

@Real_Ed_McCray (10:47.65)
Yeah, and

@Real_Ed_McCray (11:05.581)
You found an expert?

@KeithMalinak (11:10.919)
That's next week at this time. Anything else you want to tell us about that Rumble channel of yours rediscovering Walt Disney?

@Real_Ed_McCray (11:15.586)
I'm just putting I'm just gonna be made I'm working on these faith videos. It's gonna go I've got one It's gonna be on the child stars you've seen some of the clips I post on Twitter like the Miley Cyrus stuff where she used to be the Christian girl and then you saw what happened to her and It goes from Walt's time all the way to the modern time and these are all just gonna be different episodes and it's through the lens of the faith thing and you know, I

@KeithMalinak (11:36.866)
Alright, very good. We'll check it out. Rediscovering Walt Disney over at the rumble.com.

@Real_Ed_McCray (11:43.138)
And if you can, contribute to the give send go, because I'm trying to get all this material so I can get these shows done. These are going be definitive shows, because nobody else is thinking to look for this stuff. And I know how to put it together, because I know the history.

@KeithMalinak (11:46.71)
Yeah, I love it.

@KeithMalinak (11:55.326)
Yeah, that's right. That's right. Okay. All right. So I want to show people something here and I should have this ready. Yeah, there it is. Okay, cool. Talk to me. What is this? Because I know that you are an artist.

@Real_Ed_McCray (12:05.592)
That this is I've been working on this for several years It's been I put it on hold do this get this Walt Disney thing going because so many people wanted the Walt Disney thing so this is what my Comic book series I've been working on for a while and so this is how I know all the stuff we're gonna be talking about and Foked up America was Well, I and I coined that at the time now other people are doing it but Well folked they yeah. Yeah

@KeithMalinak (12:13.25)
Look at that.

@KeithMalinak (12:22.497)
Uh-huh.

@KeithMalinak (12:30.168)
what?

Yeah, I got it, I got it, I got it. just, I don't like that they're taking your stuff, Ed. It's kind of making me mad.

@Real_Ed_McCray (12:35.086)
But this is, you know, I'm used to it. That's what I get. But it's got American folklore, history, satire. I don't just know about the historical stuff of America, all these folklore characters. I know all about them. What the story is about is the American Legion of Leftists. shut down America's folk heroes because they've already shut down our history. So now they've got to shut down our heroes to inspire us. And there's an impeachment trial.

The devil represents the prosecutor. He's prosecuting america and the history we're going to talk about today some of it I researched for this that that's the stuff that happens in the trial that you know, the that's the testimony the history and uh, the uh, uncle sam is the the the defensed attorney and The the uh, there's a subplot through this whole thing where there's uh, you know He's not on the cover but storm along. You know, he was the whaler in the history in the folklore

He can't be a whaler now, so he's hunting for the deep steak Kraken. And he's into a lot of conspiracy theories and everything. And by the time we get to the end of the story, the series, we find out he was right all along. So there you go.

@KeithMalinak (13:44.49)
Okay, all right, well we look forward to that. Okay, man. All right, so let's see here. Where do we wanna begin with our trip with the underrated founders?

@Real_Ed_McCray (13:53.742)
Well, you want to start how when we were kids growing up, we learned history through the stories of the biographies, the people that were there. And back when we were kids, Thanksgiving was still a religious holiday and we still did Washington and Lincoln's birthday. Memorial Day and Independence Day and Labor Day, they were all patriotic holidays. They're not so much anymore. When I was a kid, we did we did little activities in school.

@KeithMalinak (14:14.402)
No

@Real_Ed_McCray (14:20.238)
When I was in second grade, some of the founders were going to talk about, they were in our textbook. And one of the stories they had for Ben Franklin, I'll never forget, when he was a boy, all the other kids had these little slide whistles. And he was so excited about this slide whistle, he went to the shop to get one. He threw down all of his money onto the desk. And the shop owner was a crooked guy and he took all the money. And then Ben Franklin found it and he paid like five or six times what the whistle actually cost.

And that's like a lesson to be good with your money. But we see Ben Franklin. That's how we learned history was all through the stories. And that story has always stuck with me about how to be frugal and everything.

@KeithMalinak (15:00.352)
Yeah, yeah, no, I know that one well. Let's see here. Okay, so do we want to open up with a guy who needs a cinematic, this thing needs to be on the silver screen.

@Real_Ed_McCray (15:06.424)
Well, Squanto would probably be where-

@Real_Ed_McCray (15:13.39)
Well, they did do a movie in the 90s, but I don't know how accurate it was. It was a Disney movie. All roads lead to Disney, I guess.

@KeithMalinak (15:18.579)
no. Well yeah, and as we learned from Professor Ed McCray, that the 90s is when it all started going south for... Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (15:29.33)
1993-94 I pinpointed it to the year. So, yeah Well, squanto I always think of him as being like the the American Joseph when you hear his story and His real name wasn't squano. It was I hope I could I'm saying this right it was Tis Squanum, but William Bradford couldn't say it pronounce it's they called him squano and

@KeithMalinak (15:32.616)
Okay, talk to us about Squanto. There's so much there.

@KeithMalinak (15:49.985)
Yeah

@Real_Ed_McCray (15:53.102)
Now when we do these figures, you're going to find a lot of them cross paths. So it's almost like the Justice League or the Marvel Universe, Cinematic Universe, because, well, Squano, he worked with, he was the Indian guide for John Smith when he was mapping New England. And, you know, John Smith is from the Jamestown, Pocahontas, all that stuff. And when John Smith parted with him, the other captain of the ship was Captain Thomas Hunt. He was a slaver. He kidnapped Squano.

@KeithMalinak (16:01.666)
hahahaha

@Real_Ed_McCray (16:23.08)
A couple other Indians he took him over to Spain and they were sold into slavery They end up getting liberated by some Franciscan friars and they they they'd free the slaves and he ended up being taught English and he was baptized in the Catholic Church and He went he stayed in England for a few years and then in 1619 he came back to America with John Smith again and when he got back to America when he got

@KeithMalinak (16:48.64)
And this is where it gets really wild.

@Real_Ed_McCray (16:51.336)
Well, gets more wild when we get to the pilgrims, but when he comes back, he finds out all of his tribe is wiped out. And people debate what the disease was, but the whole tribe was wiped out. And none of the Indian tribes would go to this land because they were afraid it was cursed. so then the pilgrims come a few years later, and they want to go to Virginia to live. That's where they were. They had their charter for Northern Virginia. The wind kept blowing them north.

and they ended up here where squano's tribe had been and it was they found when they got off the ship they couldn't believe it was all cleared like it was ready for them to live here it was the only place on the entire east coast they wouldn't been killed on site because it was considered a cursed land by the american indians

@KeithMalinak (17:32.694)
That is... nobody knows that fact, man. That is incredible. Yes! And then... and then... we get the only English speaking...

@Real_Ed_McCray (17:35.788)
Well, even the fact that the wind blew them there!

@Real_Ed_McCray (17:44.79)
It comes out of the well he gets well first they meet Massasoit and the first thing Massasoit asked him he asked if they have any beer

@KeithMalinak (17:50.85)
I wish I could go meet him. That's awesome.

@Real_Ed_McCray (17:54.766)
and he starts before he befriends them first and then they bring squano out and Squano ends up staying there because that's where his people were from and He teaches them how to live off the land and everything that you had the whole thing with the the socialism everything that rush would always talk about but They knew how to do stuff, but they they didn't know the way the American Indians did it What kinds of crops grew there and everything?

@KeithMalinak (18:14.304)
Yep.

@KeithMalinak (18:23.21)
And he knew English, man.

@Real_Ed_McCray (18:24.642)
Yeah, and that's the thing, and he knew English. He just happened to be there.

@KeithMalinak (18:26.986)
I mean, it's incredible! The one spot, like you said, where they wouldn't be shot on sight, the wind blew them to that spot. They meet a Native American who speaks English. I mean, this is miraculous, dare I say.

@Real_Ed_McCray (18:31.79)
Mm-hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (18:43.47)
well that's what i did that people think of america was a blessed land the founding year will get into that but things like this and in the american indians they were all over here holding hands incumbaya they were very brutal with each other that you know that they were very violent i've got stories in the in my research not for today but they were cannibals the cannibalism and stuff and they would they would be disemboweled each other their enemies and everything there is is a stone age people they weren't what we get told today

@KeithMalinak (19:10.689)
Lovely.

@Real_Ed_McCray (19:13.288)
and with the I forgot to mention I had ancestors that came on the Mayflower and you fall right through the founding era because John Alden and Priscilla Mullins and then through them it's John Adams and John Quincy Adams and everything so yeah so you're getting somebody that's a blood relative all this my family history is American history but well

@KeithMalinak (19:14.262)
with it.

@KeithMalinak (19:29.664)
How cool, man.

@KeithMalinak (19:35.596)
That's really cool. Yeah, I'm jealous because Carrie's got, she had ancestors come over on the second Mayflower. Also, well, yeah. And so she's got also a captain in the Continental Army. And we have his papers signed by John Hancock himself. And let's see, she's also related to a pastor at the time who was against

@Real_Ed_McCray (19:43.15)
Well, we might be related! They probably intermarried!

@KeithMalinak (20:04.762)
Salem witch trials who was writing stuff about those that were prosecuting him. She's related to a pony express. I mean it's like my kids have a cool history but it's all on their mom's side.

@Real_Ed_McCray (20:15.343)
mine's like that too.

Well, was gonna met John Alden and Priscilla Mullen's son survived the Salem witch trials, so...

@KeithMalinak (20:24.386)
Okay. All right, so Squanto, we gotta get a modern version of that story. Like a modern movie.

@Real_Ed_McCray (20:27.854)
So So what ended up happening with him was you don't hear the end of his story he was double dealing with the Indians he was telling them that only the white people would listen to him and That the Indians end up turning on him and some believe that the Massasoit poisoned him, but they that's speculation now, but Yeah, well squano was trying to get he would tell them that the white men would only listen to him and

@KeithMalinak (20:47.746)
Yeah, I take it back. I don't want to hang out.

@Real_Ed_McCray (20:55.8)
He ended up repenting that and the last thing that before he died was he asked them to pray over him so he could go to heaven with the Englishman's God. So that's what happened to Squano. But I just think that story is so amazing that he was, know, everything just kind of worked out miraculously like we said. This is Haim Solomon. He's a Jewish founder. And he's the prime financier of the Continental Congress.

@KeithMalinak (21:04.321)
Ha ha!

Okay, all right.

@KeithMalinak (21:15.702)
Yeah, who's this guy?

@Real_Ed_McCray (21:24.652)
And we never hear about there being any Jewish founders, but there were a couple of them. And he was born in Poland and he studied finance in Europe and he was fluent in several languages. And then he came over to America and he served as a spy under George Washington. He got arrested and then he was sentenced to death, but he got out because he was an interpreter for the British for a little while.

@KeithMalinak (21:27.212)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (21:46.39)
time for the record for those that aren't aware the British and the Americans both speak English so what who was he who was he who was he translating aha awesome

@Real_Ed_McCray (21:54.65)
the Hessians, the Hessians, yeah. But see, in that case, he knew how to speak German because he was learning finance all through Europe.

@KeithMalinak (22:05.194)
Wow, they didn't have Google Translate in the 1770s.

@Real_Ed_McCray (22:08.994)
when we get to the painters, that'll be a Google thing, He got arrested a second time, the second time he escaped, and then he got hooked up with Robert Morris, who we'll talk about later. He was the superintendent of finance for the United States. And they both ended up donating almost all of their fortune towards funding Congress and the Army and everything.

@KeithMalinak (22:12.341)
Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (22:34.574)
and uh... heim was the one who brokered money from other sources he was a fundraiser and uh... he uh... after the war he was the one that got the pensions secured for the soldiers there's a theme through all this that congress never paid their bills through that the american revolution

@KeithMalinak (22:52.034)
It's incredible. It is actually just as much a story of our founding as anything that right up to today our government still doesn't pay its bills. Incredible.

@Real_Ed_McCray (23:03.629)
Mm-hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (23:08.814)
he uh... also uh... he funded the army for out york town and that was the final battle of the war and uh... he funded a synagogue and uh... he died penniless neodermal a lot of debt may win unpaid and uh... the they they owed him money the congress that they never paid the family or anything and people would ask him why he uh... was why he wanted that the jewish community would ask why he was helping the uh... that the gentiles finding their cut their nation he would say that uh...

This is my nation. I'm a Jew, but this is my own nation. I do not despair that we shall one day obtain the same privileges as everyone else and our fellow citizens. And the reason why there's a Star of David on the National Seal is supposed to be in his honor. And when they did the original American flag, it was supposed to be a Star of David. Betsy Ross changed it because it was easier to get the shape of the star in the flag.

@KeithMalinak (23:56.227)
wow, okay.

@KeithMalinak (24:07.298)
Okay, wow!

@Real_Ed_McCray (24:08.878)
But he's one that's erased by history. Now they did a movie about him in 1939. And that led to building statues in his honor. And it was A-list actors that was in this. There's Benjamin Rush, you know him.

@KeithMalinak (24:18.946)
Oh wow. Haim Solomon, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, there's Squanto. Oh, I love this guy. Dr. Benjamin Rush. I mean, he's the guy who I always talk about.

@Real_Ed_McCray (24:31.308)
The leader of the American Enlightenment, that's what his title would be.

@KeithMalinak (24:34.242)
Okay, yeah, his claim to fame for me is he made sure that Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were writing letters to each other near the end of their life, which are an invaluable treasure if you ever get the book. Oh wow, now that I didn't know.

@Real_Ed_McCray (24:41.87)
Mm-hmm.

And he had a dream that told him to do that. yeah, he said he see Adams and Washington Adams and Jefferson they were in a fight over that election because that's where the whole thing with Sally Hemings and everything all comfort was all and

@KeithMalinak (24:54.69)
Sure. 1800. I know. So yeah, and so he's also, he's also my favorite invention in American history. sure, you could, you could look at the 1900s and all that good stuff. No, no, no, we're going back to Lewis and Clark and my favorite story of the thunderclappers with little pills with mercury in them.

@Real_Ed_McCray (25:08.384)
Hehehehehe

@Real_Ed_McCray (25:23.406)
They must not have been healthy.

@KeithMalinak (25:23.69)
So that if you got constipated when you were trekking west, doing some discovering, you were backed up, you would take a Dr. Rush Thunderclapper, and then you would relieve yourself, and you would finally get loosened up.

@Real_Ed_McCray (25:35.694)
Yeah

@Real_Ed_McCray (25:40.686)
And the best part of that is that's how we know what the path that they went on was because all the mercury is still there where their latrines were.

@KeithMalinak (25:45.686)
Yeah. Yeah. In recent years, they've had to move that trail that Lewis and Clark trail has has been moved in some cases up to a mile because they had it marked over here. But then they found the traces of mercury in the in the poo pile or what have you and the dirt. And they're like, my gosh, they were actually over here. And so they've had to move the markers. It's fascinating.

@Real_Ed_McCray (26:01.964)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (26:09.528)
Well, I wonder if how that mercury affected their lifespans and all that and if they got any other illnesses from that, you know, but now he Let's see He was once one of the most known founding fathers and he got erased because he was so devoutly religious and His father died. He was a boy and the mother raised him and when he was 14, he got into Princeton

@KeithMalinak (26:14.998)
Fair point. Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (26:35.23)
and he got a bachelor's degree. think he was only there for two years. And he went over to, this is another one of those stories where everything lines up. He went over to Scotland to learn more about medicine. And that's where he met John Wetherspoon, who's one of our founders. John Wetherspoon was the president of the college and they ended up wanting him to be over in a college in America. And his wife got all upset because she thought America was a barbaric country. And they said she was bedridden for weeks, all worrying about coming over here.

Dr. Rush had to calmer down and everything and and they ended up coming over here and he ended up marrying their daughter Benjamin Rush and he was one of the founders of the Sons of Liberty that was in the Philadelphia area and He he was in a bookstore and he met Thomas Paine and that's where they became friends and it was Russia's idea to do common sense and what that it's been a race from history

and uh... pain wanted to call the book or that you know the pamphlet plain truth and it was dr rush's idea to call it common sense so i mean that's a major thing there and he was the uh... searching general of the continental army and uh... he was to the treasurer of the u.s. mint he was a college professor he founded lots of hospitals and groups and everything he wouldn't set up a be in a political party he said he was a christocrat

So there's your first, what were they calling us? couple, no, they were calling us something a few years ago. They did a whole documentary about it. I can't remember now. was Christian something, nationalism, Christian nationalism. There you go.

@KeithMalinak (28:04.418)
The religious right

@KeithMalinak (28:17.132)
Christian National, yeah, okay. I'm telling you, if schools still assign kids to do reports on famous Americans or founding fathers or what have you, Dr. Benjamin Rush has never gotten his due.

@Real_Ed_McCray (28:30.798)
Well, he used to but he got erased He a lot of his medical discoveries and everything He was the first person that figured out that there was a connection to your health with tooth decay because of the men in the army and everything with their teeth and He he was on worldwide with his medical breakthroughs in Europe They all knew who he was and he wrote several medical books and they were still used he did things that we don't you know, like bloodletting he was a big supporter of that but

@KeithMalinak (28:33.354)
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

@KeithMalinak (28:41.348)
I thought you.

@Real_Ed_McCray (28:58.754)
You gotta remember they were coming around the dark ages when this generation came through. Franklin, when he was in England, he had a medical school in his basement. I remember seeing a documentary on that in the History Channel before everything was ancient aliens. They found all these bodies in the basement where Franklin was and they'd go dig up these bodies so the medical students could train on them. He was in...

@KeithMalinak (29:21.298)
God.

@Real_Ed_McCray (29:23.444)
abolitionist and then when they had the yellow fever outbreak he figured out that black people weren't as susceptible to the yellow fever he was the first person that figured out that some races had different genetics than others for diseases and i don't think we're allowed to say that now but but right

@KeithMalinak (29:37.674)
no RFK. They tried to get him derailed, suggesting something. I forgot what it was, but very similar.

@Real_Ed_McCray (29:46.862)
Diabetes is supposed to be more susceptible in the black community for black males. mean it just is I mean there's some diseases white people get more than other races It's just has to do with our genetics. This is this ties in with the with Benjamin Rush. This is so they helped him during the yellow fever outbreak

@KeithMalinak (29:56.14)
Yeah. Yeah. All right.

@KeithMalinak (30:07.255)
this is Richard and Sarah Allen.

@Real_Ed_McCray (30:09.142)
Yeah, now Sarah was his second wife, but they founded a church in Philadelphia with Absalom Jones. he, Alan was the first bishop of the church. And he wanted to treat slaves and freed blacks equally. And that was controversial among the free blacks, because they thought that the slaves weren't educated. And he founded a lot of schools to educate black people. And he was against segregating the races. He wanted everyone to be together.

and he wanted the white people to be in the black people you know you know that this is all we were all supposed to be americans now and in we can say that now but and yet

@KeithMalinak (30:48.394)
And you're, you still talking about Dr. Rush? Okay, I was just making sure here, because I knew that they were connected.

@Real_Ed_McCray (30:51.51)
no i'm talking about richard allen there benjamin rush he back when he was when he was practicing medicine people thought that everyone was supposed to be white and there was something wrong with black people made their skin black and he debunked that but well they thought it was a medical condition and

@KeithMalinak (31:08.107)
no. Okay.

@KeithMalinak (31:18.082)
Okay. Look, look, look, people are gonna look back at this time. They're gonna look at the COVID era. They're gonna say, what in the hell were you guys thinking? They're gonna look back at what we do with babies in the womb. Yeah. gosh, you're so true. Yeah. Uh-huh.

@Real_Ed_McCray (31:24.928)
No, they're going to look at the trans thing. They're going to look at that.

But you've got to remember when this was going on, different places, like in Europe, you didn't see minorities that much. Because you didn't see animals from Africa like the circus, unless it was a circus. That's the only way you saw wild animals. was no television, no pictures, no photographs. You lived in your own little bubble, your little community, and that was it. And so this was the...

@KeithMalinak (31:41.867)
Uh-huh.

@KeithMalinak (31:52.384)
Yeah, okay.

@KeithMalinak (31:57.547)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (32:01.656)
You gotta put your mindset what it was like back then and lot of people today won't do that.

@KeithMalinak (32:05.878)
very very different world different you're very isolated outside of your little town okay s i'm sorry

@Real_Ed_McCray (32:10.092)
Yeah He was I was just gonna well, it's okay I just was gonna tell you he was born a slave and he taught himself to read and write and His wife was considered the founding mother of the the ame church and he he was a circuit circuit preacher He founded several free black societies They ran a home on the underground railroad and they ended up merging all the black churches in philadelphia as the african methodist episcopal church

@KeithMalinak (32:23.313)
wow.

@KeithMalinak (32:38.379)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (32:38.85)
And they were, you know, that's, I just tried to get a little bit on each person we got here so we get a variety. And that's, that's Noel Webster. And you don't think of him as a founder, but he was. Yeah, that's what everybody thinks, but that was at end of his life. And he is the founding father of the American educational system. And he's known, also known as America's school master. And his thing was he wanted America to have its own culture, different from England. And so this is kind of like what we get today where the

@KeithMalinak (32:43.52)
Yeah, yeah, AME still around today. That's interesting. Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (32:50.102)
He's a dictionary guy.

@Real_Ed_McCray (33:08.118)
you have the the nationalism today that it's getting frowned upon he was the first person to do that and His whole background was he was his father was a minister. He was raised Christian and all his teachers were clergy He said that a liberal arts education should disqualify any man from business

@KeithMalinak (33:20.695)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (33:27.68)
Wait, I'm sorry, what?

@Real_Ed_McCray (33:29.486)
This is a quote from a liberal arts education disqualifies a man from business. Well, that's the other thing we didn't do my court with rush. I did type that out. Unless we put medical freedom in the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship.

@KeithMalinak (33:35.414)
That is hilarious.

@KeithMalinak (33:52.14)
And we're

@Real_Ed_McCray (33:53.42)
That's in David Darden's book and I found it, it's posted the, it's part of a whole paragraph. And

@KeithMalinak (33:56.482)
Okay, cuz cuz a lot of people try to debunk that and say no he didn't say that but Say that one more time that quote

@Real_Ed_McCray (34:01.902)
They started debunking that during COVID and I have books from before COVID and it's in there. So.

Yeah. And this was part of a paragraph, but this was the beginning. said, unless we put medical freedoms into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship. And I have books going back to the early 1900s and late 90s all the way through there. And that quote is in there. It didn't come up after COVID. I have 20th century books where it's in there.

@KeithMalinak (34:13.27)
Benjamin Rush.

@KeithMalinak (34:35.714)
So in other words, it fit too well to our modern American experience. And so there's no way that a founding father could have had that kind of foresight in that specificity. We got to get that quote into the bucket. I got you.

@Real_Ed_McCray (34:39.606)
It's what happened

@Real_Ed_McCray (34:50.478)
Well, you know that you always get told they didn't know about abortion but they did they called it the quickening and all that they they knew what all that was they They had abortion in the ancient world, you know biblical times

@KeithMalinak (34:54.443)
Right, that's fact, yeah.

@KeithMalinak (35:02.536)
Yes sir, okay. Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (35:04.232)
No, no Webster here. He he wrote textbooks. He taught schools He did the he's the one that decided how to spell words because he wrote the first speller that was universally used and Then he from there you did the dissertations on an English language. He grammar books he also wrote he I'm trying to find where I've got the title he wrote a book on Christianity and The it's called it was called the value of the Bible and the excellence of the Christian religion

And he ended up getting hired to write for the Federalist by Alexander Hamilton. I think that was him here. the basis of his teaching methods, that's what we used up until Woodrow Wilson. And that's another pattern we're going to find where Woodrow Wilson erased a lot of this stuff. the way they used to teach, you would learn to spell by, you would learn your alphabet.

Then you'd go to sounding out vowels and everything and that's how you'd learn to read with syllables and consonants. That's how I learned to read. then he did the dictionary and he did the first edition, then spent another 25 years doing another edition and that got printed right before he died. And he died penniless and he didn't know he was a success or anything. And he was an abolitionist when he was alive.

And I think I've got, that's all of our main facts on him.

@KeithMalinak (36:35.05)
If he knew some of the words that were in that dictionary today, he'd lose his mind.

@Real_Ed_McCray (36:38.606)
When he wrote the dictionary, the last edition of it, it was 70,000 words.

@KeithMalinak (36:45.666)
How many is it today? Hang on.

@Real_Ed_McCray (36:46.924)
I don't know today. his final words were, I am entirely submissive to the will of God.

@KeithMalinak (36:55.778)
Okay, hang on. I'm looking this up and hang on. He said 70,000 when he died? my goodness, now it's 470,000.

@Real_Ed_McCray (36:58.978)
I'll go ahead.

@Real_Ed_McCray (37:02.488)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (37:06.412)
Well, how many have they taken out of it though,

@KeithMalinak (37:09.088)
Right. Wow. Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (37:10.946)
Now that's Henry Hosier. He was a pastor during the second grade awakening and he was known as Black Harry. And his denomination, they were known as Hosiers and that's how they got the name for Indiana, they're the Hosiers. They all moved out there to settle. You get a lot of that too in America's history where there would be different denominations and church groups. They would move out to their own states and set up their own communities there.

@KeithMalinak (37:33.762)
So are they mispronouncing is Hoosier a mispronunciation of Hoesier? different spelling. that's hmm. Yeah, I'm missing an O.

@Real_Ed_McCray (37:38.54)
I think that I've seen it several different ways how to say it because I did look that up. It's HOSIER and he was illiterate and he was a slave and he learned he the Bishop Francis Asbury was visiting he was he was an itinerant minister down south he visited the different places and he he traveled with Black Harry he was like the the guide.

And he would read the Bible to him and he had a photograph Hoser had a photographic memory black Harry and so this is how he got brought in to bring a preacher Yeah, me too. I that's why I have to have these notes or I forget things They he ended up training him to be a preacher because he couldn't read he just remembered everything and but and then he was used for an example how black people weren't dumb because

@KeithMalinak (38:10.148)
I could have used that in school, man.

Ha

@KeithMalinak (38:23.83)
Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (38:29.356)
People would say they didn't know anything because they weren't allowed to educate them. It was illegal in some of the states in the South to educate a black person. And some of the slave owners did it anyway. But he proved that the black people could be intelligent. And he got into a lot of fights with some of the other clergy that were educated, the black clergy. And you don't think about that where there would be a lot of end fights between the different groups of the freed blacks and the...

@KeithMalinak (38:35.458)
Right.

@KeithMalinak (38:49.346)
Mm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (38:59.018)
Educated ones that were always free the ones that were slay former slave and It's just a whole different world back then and it all just gets lost today but that James Armistead he was another person born a slave and his master was William Armistead and that's what it was saying he taught him how to read and write his master taught him to read and write and that was illegal in their state and The British were freeing slaves if they fought for the British

@KeithMalinak (39:07.712)
Yeah, I like this guy.

@Real_Ed_McCray (39:26.126)
he still chose to stay with the the Americans and he ended up being the master freedom and he served under Lafayette and He ended up eventually taking Lafayette's surname. So he was James Armistead Lafayette And what he ended up doing was he posed he was a spy then he got became a double agent spy So he was making the British think that he was a runaway slave that was helping them but he was actually taking everything from the British over to the Americans and

he it was benedict arnold's unit that he was assigned to and he gained the trust of benedict arnold and he's the reason we won the battle yorktown the one the war and you know you get told just rich white men founded america well this is a black man and he's the reason that america got founded in the first place you get the british but bad intelligence

@KeithMalinak (40:17.394)
guy so much

@Real_Ed_McCray (40:18.784)
He looks like that one actor I posted it on Twitter today that if they did a movie about him That's who the actor would be now what it ended up happening was after the war Their state wouldn't except he was a freed black person. And so the former slave owner He had to fight for him to get recognized by the state and had to get Lafayette and everybody involved. I know but then this is this is the twist ending after he was freed. He became a slave owner

@KeithMalinak (40:39.106)
That's dreadful,

@Real_Ed_McCray (40:46.358)
and you don't think about that where there were black people that owned slaves, it was a status symbol. It's a whole different thing than what people think it was.

@KeithMalinak (40:54.294)
Clock twist!

@Real_Ed_McCray (40:56.29)
That's why you probably don't hear about him because he owned slaves after the war. He bought his own land, he had his slaves there, and then when Lafayette came to America for the 50th anniversary of the founding, they got back together as friends and everything.

@KeithMalinak (40:59.356)
@KeithMalinak (41:11.916)
You know, hold on, just for a moment, and I know you're gonna talk about Lafayette at some point today, and we'll have to talk about, yeah, so I have always, you know, you have to envision, well, so many moments in history. know, at Newsflash, we didn't have TV or video back in the 1700s, but one of the more vivid elements of that era of the founding,

@Real_Ed_McCray (41:15.832)
Yeah, he's in our list.

@KeithMalinak (41:38.514)
is you just mentioned it in passing there when Lafayette came back to the United States. And there's that scene, and I would love to direct this in a movie because I have played this in my mind so many times when he shows up at Monticello and he's coming up the hill there and Jefferson is running down and these two old men, you know, embracing each other, these brothers of the revolution.

@Real_Ed_McCray (42:01.484)
Well, off he was a lot younger.

@KeithMalinak (42:03.714)
50 years later, it's just, it's so vivid in my mind and I would love to see that created somewhere. Anyway.

@Real_Ed_McCray (42:09.134)
These guys are all interesting guys and then like with Armistead their stories are more complex and you'd think they would be From what they did teach us in school but You just don't think about the context of what the world was like a lot of these we're gonna get into the you're gonna be surprised

@KeithMalinak (42:27.306)
Okay, so we intentionally titled this, I'm sorry, did you have any more on here? Okay, okay, so we intentionally titled this episode, Underrated Founders, not forgotten founding fathers or underrated founding fathers, because there were plenty of women that do not get the respect that just like blacks, don't get the respect that they deserve from the era of independence.

@Real_Ed_McCray (42:32.721)
no, that's all I had on him.

@Real_Ed_McCray (42:46.082)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (42:56.67)
And so tell us about Deborah Sampson.

@Real_Ed_McCray (42:58.392)
Now Deborah Sampson, she was the one that she dressed up as a man to be in the army.

@KeithMalinak (43:05.238)
How did, hold on a second. How'd she pull that off? Sorry, I digress, continue.

@Real_Ed_McCray (43:08.458)
Yeah, well when when when the Paul Revere met her he thought he she was gonna be a six foot tall manly looking woman and she was a little tiny woman Yeah, that I've got it. See I you can't go by what's on the internet about these people I have my heart copy books cuz I'll get to that there and she was a descendant of William Bradford miles standards She grew up in poverty the father of Ben and the family

@KeithMalinak (43:20.361)
really? Wow.

@KeithMalinak (43:26.557)
Hahaha!

@KeithMalinak (43:33.528)
wow.

@Real_Ed_McCray (43:36.558)
And had no formal education and she worked as indentured server from age 10 to 18 And at age 21 she had she disguised herself as a man enlisted in the Continental Army and she went by two different names as a man She went by Timothy Thayer and the more the one you see the most is Robert Sheriff Sheriff and she got wounded twice near Terrytown, New York and Terrytown, New York that is where the legion of sleepy hollow took place

@KeithMalinak (44:05.342)
wow, yeah, okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (44:06.272)
And that even ties in there too because the headless horseman was a Heston soldier

@KeithMalinak (44:11.414)
Hold on, hold on, you can't, see Ed can't do this y'all. I'm not gonna let Ed get away with it. He just throws this stuff out there and then thinks we're just gonna move on. I gotcha. Okay, so tell us about the Hessian soldier that was the headless horseman of Sleepy Hollow.

@Real_Ed_McCray (44:11.534)
Yeah, but the.

@Real_Ed_McCray (44:20.354)
That's not even in my notes, I just, when I see Terry Town, I just always...

@Real_Ed_McCray (44:27.82)
Well, Hessian soldier that was Headless Horseman, Legis Lepehalo, he lost his head at the Fort Niagara in New York State. And that got hit with a cannonball. And that's where the Headless Horseman came from. That was the story that it was based on. there wasn't really an Acrebide crane and all that. I went out there once to Terrytown. I did Terrytown and Valley Forge and Gettysburg all in one trip.

@KeithMalinak (44:37.26)
How did he lose his head? it tree branch or what happened? Cannonball,

@KeithMalinak (44:45.846)
That's terrible.

@Real_Ed_McCray (44:58.222)
Back then they didn't even celebrate that that was where the Legend of Sleepy Hollow took place. Washington Irving's house is near there and they were more excited some Rockefeller lived there at one time than the Legend of Sleepy Hollow and I was there right before Halloween. That was what was crazy. But now they do. Well, women weren't allowed to be in the military back then and she was there for 17 months. She went on several missions and she ended up getting

@KeithMalinak (45:12.16)
Hmm. So why did she dress like a man? Did she just want to or? Right, right.

@Real_Ed_McCray (45:27.95)
a fever and that's when they the doctor worked on her that's when they figured out she was a woman and She but she got honorably discharged but after that she got kicked out of her church for wearing men's clothes and Some of the churches wouldn't let her be a member in the church. They wouldn't even let her go in the church

@KeithMalinak (45:34.078)
no.

@KeithMalinak (45:42.274)
no!

@KeithMalinak (45:46.966)
Did she say, put it in the context y'all, I just saved your country?

@Real_Ed_McCray (45:51.726)
They didn't care, I guess. She married Benjamin Garnet. They had three kids. the family got into financial struggle and hardship and everything. And they petitioned the government for her back pay. And Paul Revere got behind her to do that. And they gave her the back pay. And Congress declared that they couldn't find any other similar example of female heroism, fidelity, and courage in all of the war.

@KeithMalinak (45:53.186)
Thank you.

@Real_Ed_McCray (46:20.77)
She ended up doing lecture tours across the country. And after she died, her husband got a widower's pension. You don't hear that part of the story either. And ever since the 90s, they claim she's gay and Grok was telling me she was gay.

@KeithMalinak (46:28.416)
Wow, that's awesome.

Okay, right, because the radical left in this country wants so desperately to have people that they can point to as examples for their cause. And it's so convenient on the surface to say, yeah, there's somebody back in the 1700s that was a cross dresser. Okay, well, let's look at the context. She had to in order to fight and be allowed in the Continental Army to...

@Real_Ed_McCray (47:01.187)
Yeah!

@KeithMalinak (47:01.612)
to free this country from Great Britain's rule, but they leave that part out of it. No, no, no, she's just the first cross dresser, you know.

@Real_Ed_McCray (47:07.864)
Well, they'll say that because this is what I don't get when they always try to say all these people were gay They got married and had kids if they're gay. How did they I mean, I'm not gay So there's no way I'm not I'm going to be in a gay relationship How does a gay person get in a straight relationship to the point where they have all these kids? And then when you ask that people get all offended, but I mean seriously

@KeithMalinak (47:28.074)
Yeah, yeah, who's this guy here?

@Real_Ed_McCray (47:30.626)
Now that is, I hope I say his last name right, it's Filippo Mazze.

@KeithMalinak (47:36.234)
Okay, Filippo Mazze, where's he from?

@Real_Ed_McCray (47:38.158)
Now, he was born in Italy and he was a doctor, an Italian philosopher, an author, a diplomat. He practiced medicine in the Middle East. He became a merchant in England. That's where he met Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson when they were in London, when they originally petitioned the king. And they discussed political ideas and they got to be friends over that. And he ended up coming to America. And he was the first prominent Italian to come to America.

@KeithMalinak (47:40.706)
Huh?

@KeithMalinak (47:53.602)
part of them.

@Real_Ed_McCray (48:06.346)
I mean to settle here you don't want to Columbus or anything and He was very close friends with Jefferson Jefferson gave him a plot of land and he set up experiments what kind of plants from Italy would grow in America and silkworms things like that and He was the one that coined all men are created equal that got put in the Declaration of Independence it came from one of his letters and And he's actually called a forgotten founder because of that. I've got a book that's

@KeithMalinak (48:31.884)
That is awesome! so the phrase, men are created equal came from some Italian guy named Filippo Maze.

@Real_Ed_McCray (48:40.322)
Yeah, what his statement was, all men are created equal and by their nature of equality and independence, such equality is necessary in order to create a free government. All men must be equal to each other in the natural law. That was the phrase in his letter, but Jefferson put that in the declaration because of him.

@KeithMalinak (49:00.418)
Can I just say, I'm not into art, but there's one painting that does it for me. And it's this Ferris painting. That's the guy's name, right? Ferris. And it's the writing of the Declaration of Independence. since you brought that up, I thought, ah, this is good a place as any for that. This is so great. I love...

I don't know. There we go. There we go. See that right there? It's all it. Yeah, because it's got all of the all the wadded up paper crumpled up on the floor. And Jefferson. And so you got you got Franklin and Adams are looking it over. And Jefferson's all nervous that they're going to make changes and stuff. And they did, you know, all the scrap paper stuff. I just love that stuff. But I never knew that some Italian guy came up with that awesome line. Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (49:28.248)
Yeah. yeah, that's my favorite one of two.

@Real_Ed_McCray (49:36.568)
Yeah!

@Real_Ed_McCray (49:52.107)
That's why he's a forgotten founder. This is one of the things I found him while I was putting together Folk Top America and he's got a little spot in there because of that

@KeithMalinak (49:59.904)
I don't know why Jefferson didn't just use like a personal computer or a typewriter or something, would have made it easier for him.

@Real_Ed_McCray (50:05.731)
that... You know that... They'll be using Grok! Why didn't we just use Grok?

@KeithMalinak (50:09.602)
I know. Alright,

@Real_Ed_McCray (50:11.994)
Speaking of paintings bring him back up and I'll mention something about that painting Because we're to talk about the painters of the war coming up But the reason that they just painted the face and they didn't do anything else There was no there were no cameras back then and what the painters would do for these famous people They would just paint the face so they'd had the likeness and they would just make copies of that face on paintings So people would have paintings of these people, but this was the master copy with his face on it

@KeithMalinak (50:15.925)
Okay.

@KeithMalinak (50:39.989)
WHAAAT

@Real_Ed_McCray (50:40.718)
that's how these would get made and uh... what else a little more what he did was he ended up going back to europe and he promoted freedoms all over across europe and uh... he uh... wrote the first political history the american revolution in seventeen eighty eight was in france when they were getting their revolution over there and uh... he became a the council the french counselor to poland uh... he was very active the french revolution he ended up retiring to italy and uh...

when jefferson washington had a falling out it was over a letter that what washington was he what washington criticized i got a good at this i'd i know they the i think i've got the wrong name here i think it was washington and benjamin rush they had a letter that was sent over criticizing him and noah weister

@KeithMalinak (51:28.61)
I'm listening.

@Real_Ed_McCray (51:40.878)
put it in English and it got printed and that's what they had the falling out over. there's something like that.

@KeithMalinak (51:45.066)
Yeah, something was that yeah, yeah rush did yeah rush did Did criticize george washington. He came to regret that but I didn't realize this dude's role in that so the

@Real_Ed_McCray (51:51.629)
and he regretted it

@Real_Ed_McCray (51:56.172)
He was involved with it, but it was because it got translated into,

@KeithMalinak (51:58.952)
wow! My bad.

@Real_Ed_McCray (52:02.926)
I hope I got there. I'm not I'm not as good as this is David Barton is where I can just pull it off of my head but

@KeithMalinak (52:11.314)
That's cool. That's cool. Who we got next here? What's what's next on our list here? hold on. Hold on before you tell this story of Jack Jewett. And I'm going to let you tell it. But I do want to say that if you have ever read, there's a there's a guy by the name of Glenn Beck and he wrote a book called Miracles and Massacres. And chapter one is about Jack Jewett, that guy right there. And that was included because

@Real_Ed_McCray (52:18.264)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (52:41.122)
I submitted that to Glenn as someone that he needed to include because, you know, this is, this is, you know, this is a forgotten founder. Okay. So, so, so that story in there that I provided, and when I say I provided it, I gave them a bunch of notes and then they wrote the chapter. I'm sorry, Glenn Beck wrote the chapter. Anyway, I got, I got myself 50 bucks for, for my, uh,

@Real_Ed_McCray (52:50.412)
I got that book when my grandpa died, so there's another tie!

@KeithMalinak (53:10.956)
for my contribution to miracles and what was the other part of that? Massacres, massacres, yes.

@Real_Ed_McCray (53:17.141)
Massacres then the sequel was dreamers and deceivers. I have both. I have both. I wish they would have kept doing those

@KeithMalinak (53:21.128)
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So I, tell us about Jack Jewett and this awesome story.

@Real_Ed_McCray (53:28.674)
well, he was a farmer and a politician the entire family was active in the revolution and What he's famous for is this ride he did because the Jefferson and the Virginia legislature they were Jefferson's home fleeing from the British and Cornwallis had sent his men to go capture them. But I guess it was kind of a leisurely ride to get there and But he wouldn't

@KeithMalinak (53:56.898)
For Cornwallis, yeah, okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (53:58.126)
Well, when you think about it, you think about a movie where he's running to get there, but he took a couple rest stops on the way for a few hours. Jack Jewett, yeah, because...

@KeithMalinak (54:06.454)
Hold on, are you talking about Jack? come on now, hold on. Let me throw in here my two cents, you tell your story, but there's nothing leisurely about what this man went through from my reading of history, but you tell yours.

@Real_Ed_McCray (54:14.755)
Yeah!

@Real_Ed_McCray (54:20.174)
What I what I read is he He had to ride 40 miles and he had to rest for the horse for a couple hours Excuse me around 2 a.m. He rested

@KeithMalinak (54:30.658)
Okay, here's the story as I know it is dude was laying on the ground outside of a tavern and the British were talking a little bit too loudly about their plan to go capture Jefferson and end this war right now. So he is like fake sleeping outside there. He hears this, they take off. Now he can't try to ride past them on the road.

@Real_Ed_McCray (54:35.139)
Yeah!

@Real_Ed_McCray (54:38.54)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

@KeithMalinak (54:57.802)
because he'll get seen and he'll get stopped and all this good stuff. So he actually runs through the woods, okay? And it was a full moon, if I remember, it was something where he could see in the woods and stuff. But the problem was, since he's not on a path, he's getting slapped in the face with tree branches all along the way. His face is bleeding, cut, scarred for the rest of his life, which is my theory, because before we got started, Ed, you said, and I didn't know this,

@Real_Ed_McCray (55:09.346)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (55:27.308)
Yeah!

@KeithMalinak (55:27.732)
You said that this is the only picture of him. I wonder if he refused to be drawn or painted or what have you because his face was scarred. He... Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (55:37.112)
don't know. didn't know he was scarred, but I know that what I read about this is this is the only image of him where he he posed for it it was This was a popular thing back then where they do a silhouette

@KeithMalinak (55:40.64)
Yeah, so he... He... Yeah, okay, well... Right. So he gets to Monticello and tells people how much time was left to spare for Thomas Jefferson.

@Real_Ed_McCray (55:53.218)
They they had a well what ended up happening was Jefferson wouldn't leave right away He had breakfast and everything and then they were starting to take he had the slaves taking out all his books and They finally saw the British were over the horizon So Jefferson left and when the the British got there this they they met up with the slaves with taking out the books and everything

@KeithMalinak (56:14.39)
Yeah, that's Jack is an absolute hero. He gets no, nearly the amount of credit that a Paul Revere gets for his ride.

@Real_Ed_McCray (56:24.48)
He got he ended up getting a sword and pistols from the legislature of regina for this

@KeithMalinak (56:30.496)
Yeah, but this is one of those guys that in history, man, because if Thomas Jefferson gets captured, it's over, you know?

@Real_Ed_McCray (56:36.182)
And he ended up getting they they ended up giving him land in Kentucky for what he did and He's the one that advocated for Kentucky statehood. This was before Kentucky was a state that he was given that land and They have a poem for him like however Yeah Yeah, I've got Hark and good people a while abide in here of stout Jack do its ride

@KeithMalinak (56:53.869)
yeah! Do you have some of that poem there? That's right, it's in the book.

@Real_Ed_McCray (57:06.818)
How he rushed his steed, nor stopped nor stayed, till he warned the people of Tarleton's raid. You want me read the whole thing? I know, but let's... I know.

@KeithMalinak (57:14.082)
See? See? See? He didn't rest. See that? I love this. We're two history nerds. like, no, bullcrap, his horse didn't stop. yeah, did.

@Real_Ed_McCray (57:23.776)
Well, was surprised when I read that he had to stop for three hours on the way there and then I was also surprised when the Jeff... the Leisure League were unpacking and had breakfast before the British game. Well, this is what I read. And it wasn't a woke book, so...

@KeithMalinak (57:29.536)
We are nerds, man.

@KeithMalinak (57:33.922)
I don't know about this. Yeah, well, I'm just telling you. It was by the skin of his teeth that he got out of there. And thank God Jack Jewett. Go on, go on.

@Real_Ed_McCray (57:45.793)
and he didn't, the reason he didn't get captured is he was wearing a red coat, so when they did see him, the British saw him, they thought he was one of them.

@KeithMalinak (57:52.352)
Yeah, it's really great. Yes, that was an element of it, Okay, so who's this guy riding?

@Real_Ed_McCray (57:57.942)
This is that's Wentworth Cheswell. He rode the same night as Paul Revere in the Boston area. He actually warned more minutemen than Paul Revere that the British were coming and he was the first black person to own land in New Hampshire. He was the justice of the peace, the schoolmaster, a constable.

@KeithMalinak (58:06.046)
@KeithMalinak (58:11.488)
Okay. He may have been the last person to own a black man to own land in New Hampshire, but I digress.

@Real_Ed_McCray (58:17.58)
Maybe. He was all these accomplished things and he held elected office for all but one year of his adult life. And the other thing is the left now claims he was white.

@KeithMalinak (58:27.073)
Wow.

@KeithMalinak (58:32.715)
Wait, why is the left doing- wait, what? Why?

@Real_Ed_McCray (58:34.466)
because you can't have a black person do anything before the civil rights movement in the fifties with LBJ. Nothing good can happen to black people before that. that's why they never came back from history after Woodrow Wilson purged them. That's what my theory is.

@KeithMalinak (58:48.448)
Yes, I think you're onto something. Yeah, uh-huh, yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (58:53.526)
Cause they'll say, he was mulatto, he was white passing. Now that was the only image I could find of him. It's a modern image, but I liked that he was riding the horse. Now at Roark he looked there and...

@KeithMalinak (59:05.154)
100 % yeah and I think your theory is spot on because Woodrow Wilson erased so much from history. You want to talk about a president who was in bed with the KKK and who

@Real_Ed_McCray (59:09.89)
Well, I've got that-

i've got that book that was the the uh... founders of the the or the uh... black pictures of the american revolution you know it's it's like that think of a book in he pulled that out of all the schools and it's that's that's like three and a four pages and that was taught in american schools all nothing but black people in the american revolution and netnet hot i hope my one of my theories as people that when the host black lives matter thing how that all got started to to resonate peoples people fit

black the black community feels disconnected from america's founding because they've been told that just white rich people found in america and they were all slave owners and they don't know that there were black people part of the story and i hate to think of people in groups because i think of in the individual but that's how that collectivism gets in there because they they ended up they end up falling for the collectivism part of it

@KeithMalinak (59:46.103)
Mm-hmm.

@KeithMalinak (59:50.658)
That's tragic,

@KeithMalinak (01:00:03.02)
Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's a girl.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:00:05.036)
This is another rider and this is sit night I chose that photo because you see the state marker there because now they're trying to the left tries to say that she never went on a ride it never happened

@KeithMalinak (01:00:15.51)
Yeah, this says Sybil Luddington rode horseback over this road the night of April 26th, 1777 to call out Colonel Luddington's regiment to repel British at Danbury, Connecticut. That was posted.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:00:29.218)
and the NRA has an award in their honor.

@KeithMalinak (01:00:32.736)
Who has an award in her eye? Wow, how old is she? She looks like a girl there.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:00:33.536)
the NRA.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:00:37.622)
She was only like 19 I think when she did the ride and and her daughter was the general and that's why she got on her horse and did that and In the 70s is when they started claiming that it didn't happen They say well, they don't know if she rode bareback or on a side saddle and and then they claimed

@KeithMalinak (01:00:40.881)
@KeithMalinak (01:00:53.778)
huh. Wait, her. Wait, what did you say? Who's the general? What now? her father was a general. Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:00:58.348)
Her father was the general, but in the 1970s the left started saying that she never went on a ride and it didn't happen, it's all just made up. There's a lot of revigious history in the 20th century.

@KeithMalinak (01:01:09.258)
Okay.

Yeah, no kidding. All right. So who's next here? Who's this guy?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:01:14.594)
That's Absalom Jones. was part of our He was involved with Alan there for the the black preachers and who in Hoosier Richard Allen Absalom Jones. He was a black preacher to abolitionists in Philadelphia. He founded the American Free Black Society with Richard Allen He founded the first black Episcopal Church. He was the first black preacher ordained in the Episcopal Church He was born a slave. He moved to Philadelphia with his master. He learned to read and write

He ended up marrying a woman, a black woman, and she was a slave and he worked to pay for her freedom. When he got freed by his master, the master was influenced by him in the abolitionist movement. And he's the one that, he was ordained by Bishop Allen. And he opposed the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793. That's where they ended up.

In the 1800s when it got to the Dred Scott thing, that's where they would capture the and haul them back or they just capture black people and say they were runaway slaves and he worked with Benjamin Rush on that yellow fever thing and there were 20 more with the yellow fever thing the the black people were helping with that outnumbered the whites 20 to 1 because all the white people were afraid to be there and The black people didn't get the yellow fever as easily as the white people Benjamin Rush got it

@KeithMalinak (01:02:15.148)
Mm-hmm.

@KeithMalinak (01:02:20.096)
Mm-hmm. Ugh.

@KeithMalinak (01:02:41.62)
Yeah, okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:02:44.76)
Now that's Ethan Allen.

@KeithMalinak (01:02:46.624)
Yeah, that's a green mountain boy, right? Yeah, okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:02:49.004)
Yeah He was a he was a farmer businessman now. He started out as a biblical scholar, but he became a deist And he was he had puritan parents. he found his family is who founded vermont And there's a movie that came out in 1938, 39 it was drums along the mohawk that was about how there was the war in the states in that area And he's not in it But it gives you an idea of what it was like back then because people don't think about how the the states would

fight over their territories and how the British would bring the Indians in and they'd burn down the settlements and everything and that's all in this movie. was a John Ford movie.

@KeithMalinak (01:03:28.796)
So I have very scant information in my brain right now, but didn't Vermont become its own republic for five minutes or something? Is that what that's about?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:03:37.676)
Yeah, and then it yeah, then it well I don't know if that's what the movie is about It's been a while since I saw see they used to show these movies when I was in school They would still show them but now they don't they just you know, they say they're racist or whatever

@KeithMalinak (01:03:41.067)
Okay.

@KeithMalinak (01:03:48.866)
Yeah, all right, Ethan Allen, a big part of the Revolutionary War for sure.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:03:52.76)
But he his sister was the first woman to become a nun in New England and he was the founder of the Great Mountain Boys is like you said there and They would there were wars between the states they would get New York would claim Vermont was part of New York And so he would go out with his little militia there and they would have all these skirmishes I've got a whole I've got a whole book that was the war the war between something like the state why the states have their shapes and it all about Yeah

@KeithMalinak (01:04:09.505)
Ha ha!

@KeithMalinak (01:04:15.508)
how the states got their shapes. I highly recommend that as a series or as a book. Either are awesome. And they tell you these little stories as to why. Do I have a map anywhere around here? Shame on me. This is probably the only place in the house where I don't have a map within reach. But yeah, but what I'm saying is I highly recommend that book. And because all these, if you look at like states and like maybe it'll it'll be a straight line and then this little hook and then in and then back and then whatever.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:04:29.614)
New York put a boney on his head over all this

@KeithMalinak (01:04:43.872)
Those little things are all explained in this book. It's so fascinating.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:04:45.784)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. And he was with Benedict Arnold and they went to, they did Ticonderoga and then they ended up trying to invade Canada. And it's Benedict Arnold's fault that Canada is not the 51st state.

@KeithMalinak (01:05:00.29)
That's a fact,

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:05:02.454)
and he ended up getting captured but and then he was put on parole in New York and then he made the British think that he was going to switch sides and some people debate if he was going to switch sides he was whoever they say that whoever was going to make Vermont its own thing where and he ended up being in a prisoner exchange in 1778 and there was the when they were trying to get him to decide to decide if Vermont was going to be part of America or Canada

@KeithMalinak (01:05:18.134)
hahahaha

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:05:31.906)
that was called the Haldeman affair and that was if it was going to be part of Colbeck or not and He was that was going on when Benedict Arnold was caught being a traitor and so that's why that's all kind of lost in history there's there's things in history that are kind of lost like some people debate on things about Lincoln and it's hard to tell who which version is correct because there's credible historians with either opinion and

@KeithMalinak (01:06:00.354)
Well, we're going to be doing a deep dive one of these days soon. It's on my list. It's on my list of deep dives, Thursday deep dives coming up soon. We're going to talk about the real Abraham Lincoln. my bad.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:06:11.194)
Another thing with what happened with Alan there is he wrote he he wrote a book called the only Oracle of man It was an atheist book it failed and he got into a big feud with the church because he became like a he was the deist Outspoken deist when he died the reverend at the funeral said Now imagine saying this at somebody's funeral Alan was an ignorant and profane deist who died With with a mind repellent with horror and despair

@KeithMalinak (01:06:42.082)
Okay, well thank you so much.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:06:42.955)
Yeah, it was disappointing to read that when you hear Ethan Allen, think, well, this is a name you all hear about, and his story was kind of downer.

@KeithMalinak (01:06:52.642)
When did he start selling furniture though? I'm just kidding. just kidding. I'm just kidding. just I'm I'm

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:06:54.988)
I know, that's like when they talk about Samuel Adams with the beer. That was because he was such a respected founder name and they made furniture in Vermont and that's how that got connected to him.

@KeithMalinak (01:07:04.885)
Ha ha!

Right. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Now, what's the story on this guy with the little picture?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:07:12.078)
Now, he was the Jewish founder of Wall Street. He was Jewish and he founded Wall Street, the New York Stock Exchange. that's really all there is about him is that he, his name was Moses Sykes. I hope I'm saying this name right, the surname. He was a merchant civic leader. He corresponded to George Washington. And when you research him, all you can find are some of the letters he wrote with Washington. And there isn't very much biographical information. But what I thought was interesting about him is he was a Jewish founder and he founded the New York Stock Exchange.

@KeithMalinak (01:07:20.394)
And what's his name?

@KeithMalinak (01:07:41.058)
Right, okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:07:41.152)
And that's still here today.

@KeithMalinak (01:07:43.926)
That is, Yeah, I... You know, I... It sucks that there are so many people in history that we know are consequential, but we just don't have a lot of information on

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:07:55.98)
Yeah, and that's what I ran into a lot. Even with the Culper spy ring, we don't know a lot of biographical information on all of them. Well, we didn't know about them till the 20th century. We'll get to that later. Now, that's Robert Morris, and he worked with our earlier founder there that I can't remember his first name now, Solomon there, last name. Yeah, hi, Solomon. I'm terrible with names. He worked with him and his

@KeithMalinak (01:08:00.374)
Right. That's because they were doing their job properly. Right. That's a fact. Yes. OK. Who's this guy? Robert Morris.

@KeithMalinak (01:08:18.328)
Haim Solomon, yeah, okay.

No, you're good.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:08:25.646)
Story is he immigrated to America at age 13. He was an inversion investor. He opposed the King's taxes and at first he wanted to reconcile with the King like a lot of the people in America did it before the Declaration of Independence and He was the he was one of only two people that signed the Constitution the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation He signed all three and the other person that was the second one that signed all three was Roger Sherman

We're not going to be able to talk about him today, but yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:08:57.002)
Yeah, but can I just say that's a cool fact those that have like the big three, but then there's guys like George Mason who isn't the same trivia answer because he refused to sign the Constitution until it had a Bill of Rights added to it. And so I love George Mason. In fact, that's

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:09:10.658)
Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I didn't get to him today, but we'll have to do another one sometime, maybe, but... Well, when I got to 35 pages!

@KeithMalinak (01:09:18.511)
I should have compelled you. should have said, talk us. yeah, I know. That's fair. That's fair. Okay. So Robert Morris, good guy.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:09:26.478)
Robert Mort, well the rest with him is, he was superintendent of finance for America. During the war he tried to export goods and weapons. They tried to prosecute him for profiting from the war. And he was found innocent of that, not guilty. He helped fund Washington at Yorktown. He attempted to start a national bank and a mint. It got turned down. There was a lot of history with America founding a bank. We don't have to get into that. Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:09:52.918)
I know man, it lasted forever.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:09:55.49)
Yeah, it went on for a long time. But that went right from the beginning. he was considered one of the leaders of the Neuenberg conspiracy. The Neuenberg conspiracy where Alexander Hamilton and Gouverneur Morris, wanted the army to go and overthrow Congress. And Washington stopped them. You know the story? That happened a couple times because the army was mad that Congress wasn't paying them.

@KeithMalinak (01:10:18.784)
Vaguely, yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:10:25.134)
So we have that.

@KeithMalinak (01:10:25.184)
Yeah, yes, yeah. Yep, yep, yep. I tell you, I mean, there's a theme throughout our country's history and it has to do with Congress not following through on things.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:10:28.43)
Eh, no-

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:10:32.344)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:10:36.194)
and then there was the other one was the pennsylvania mutiny and there was four hundred soldiers they protested they weren't getting paid he wanted to he was the one that

@KeithMalinak (01:10:46.016)
We have literally abused our veterans since before we were a country.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:10:51.564)
Yeah, I mean they weren't even paying them while they were fighting sometimes

@KeithMalinak (01:10:55.948)
Right, right? my gosh, it's so true.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:10:58.754)
And he he was the one that caused Congress to move out of Philadelphia for the the the capital And he ended when he ended up resigning he got replaced it took three people to replace him as the board of the Treasury and When when when Washington was president and they stayed in Philadelphia Washington lived in his house He let he gave up his house for Washington to live in

@KeithMalinak (01:11:17.158)
Wow.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:11:26.926)
He turned down being Secretary of Treasury to Washington and that went to Hamilton. And he was very pro-tariffs and he ended up failing in business and he went to debtor's prison for three years. And he's the reason they started a bankruptcy law in America. The Bankruptcy Act of 1800 got passed to get him out of jail.

@KeithMalinak (01:11:31.436)
Boy, that's neat.

@KeithMalinak (01:11:48.606)
Wow. So he did go to jail originally for not paying his debts. But again, just a reminder, they don't get to go to jail when they don't pay their debts.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:11:54.348)
Yeah, but Congress wasn't paying him.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:12:01.12)
And let me read this is how it's worded in books from the 1800s. This is what it says about him going bankrupt and that you just listen to the wording of this. became greatly embarrassed as peculiarity of affairs and it preyed seriously upon his mind. This misfortune and the inroads which Athma had made upon his constitution proved a canker at the root of his bodily vigor and and.

And he sunk to rest in his grave on the eighth day of May 1806, at the 73rd year of age, leaving a widow with whom he had lived on uninterrupted domestic happiness of 37 years. That's all one sentence.

@KeithMalinak (01:12:45.346)
Somebody needs to learn punctuation and grammar and whatnot.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:12:47.47)
Well, that was before Norah Webster, so...

@KeithMalinak (01:12:51.138)
there we go. We're bringing it home. Just like you said, the Marvel universe of founders. Okay, so what's this creepy thing?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:12:58.646)
Well, this is gonna be when we get to Benedict Arnold, but for some reason they didn't put the pictures together But Benedict Arnold was so famous with being a traitor. This is Benedict Arnold with Jefferson Davis and hell with the devil Yeah

@KeithMalinak (01:13:06.911)
huh.

they put him in a dress. You know, when you go to see his house, they explain why he was dressed like a woman. At least the at least the spin and Biloxi at Jefferson Davis, not to get too far off the path here. But it was gosh, it was raining or something when when they showed up to to get him out of there something. And I guess they grabbed somebody grabbed his wife's coat.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:13:23.096)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:13:37.702)
And so that's the only thing he had or something. I don't know. And so then it started this rumor circulating that he was wearing her coat or whatever. I don't know, whatever. Anyway.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:13:49.122)
Believe it, they'd address Lincoln in dress to smuggle him into Washington when he got elected, so...

@KeithMalinak (01:13:54.604)
telling you man, so wait, hold on a second. I think we just found a common theme. We talked about how the radicals try to claim, that's what they try to do with Lincoln now, say he was gay. I bet it starts there. I know, I know. Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:14:06.99)
Yeah, and that whole thing with him is they... Well, no, it's because in boarding houses they would share a bed. And that went on up until the 1900s because my grandma told me that back in the Great Depression you would share a bed in a boarding house with the stranger. And she even made the joke in the 90s that everybody would say they were gay.

@KeithMalinak (01:14:26.21)
That's awesome. Okay, what's next? Okay, there's that. That's that's your cover.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:14:28.878)
That was the cover and by the way because the devil was on that he see the devil goes all through everything just like that's why he's in my book because he's They he's considered a founding father. They even named places after the devil This is Matt Anthony Wayne

@KeithMalinak (01:14:35.458)
Hmm... I see...

@KeithMalinak (01:14:41.236)
Oh-ho.

@KeithMalinak (01:14:46.23)
Wait, hold on. No, no, no, we're not gonna just gloss over that. Hold on. The devil is considered a founding father, that's why they name places after the devil? What, what?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:14:54.32)
YEAH!

Well, this is why I used him as the villain in my book because the devil is part of American folklore. it's like if you go through one of my favorite monologues ever of a devil in a folklore story and the devil and Daniel Webster, talks about how when the first song was done to the first Indian, he was there. He was on the first slaver to the Congo. And then I was inspired by that and I took a little more out of that. And he was also there.

@KeithMalinak (01:15:02.368)
Uh-huh.

@KeithMalinak (01:15:05.91)
Alright? Right?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:15:26.612)
in the congo selling this this slaves over he was there with the first wrong was done to the first indian by the first indian there's places all over the country named after him he he's in the in the devil daniel weister he says he's spoken of in every church just as much as any of the other founders is interesting is you don't but and the reason that that even comes up as daniel weister objects to the prosecution being a foreign-born prince

@KeithMalinak (01:15:29.89)
Wow.

@KeithMalinak (01:15:45.801)
Interesting, yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:15:54.646)
right sorry you got the Rolling Stones in my head now sympathy for the devil okay so what what do you I know I know yeah that's good stuff man Matt Anthony Wayne this guy's a badass

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:15:54.968)
And the devil says he's not a foreigner.

I'm sorry. Well, that's not what I was doing, but I don't have sympathy for the devil, but it's just, who else would you have as a villain in a folklore story of American folklore?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:16:11.16)
Well, I don't write down all of the battles everybody was in but what was the most interesting about him? He was a spy and everything and and he worked with spies and One of the one of the battles a tree fell on his tent and knocked him out and he survived and no one's really sure why he was called man Anthony wayne there's different versions that story but one of the most interesting thing about him was He's the man with two graves

@KeithMalinak (01:16:14.978)
Okay.

@KeithMalinak (01:16:31.746)
You

@KeithMalinak (01:16:40.15)
Yeah, what's that all about?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:16:41.186)
Well, he might have been murdered because when he when they were out in this was after the found the revolution he got sent out to Michigan to the Indians were uprising and he was sent out there to to get it straightened out and There was a guy in his regiment I got it. I got his name here. He was a spy for the Spanish and

@KeithMalinak (01:17:05.804)
Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on, the Spanish had a spy in the middle of the Revolutionary War between the US and Britain?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:17:08.63)
Yeah. Well, after it was in Washington was president. I'm trying to find where I had his name here.

@KeithMalinak (01:17:14.491)
okay, okay, so we're already a country. Okay, got it, got it.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:17:17.038)
You know, well, I he I had the whole thing it just gets redundant to List all the battles because a lot of more in the same battles when he liked to quote Shakespeare and Caesar in the Bible to his troops He was part of Arnold's failed attempt to invade Canada, but with this When he was in with the Indian uprising there it was James Wilkinson was plotting against him and he was a spy for the Spanish and He was gonna

@KeithMalinak (01:17:24.544)
Mm-hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:17:46.574)
Wayne was going to was going to court-martial him, but he got sick and so he got sent back to Pennsylvania and he had dying in Presque Isle, Erie, Pennsylvania and Wilkinson never got charged or anything and he got away with it and people think that he poisoned him. That's a speculative thing, but they think that he killed him and He ended up dying in Presque Isle and they buried him there and 13 years after he was dead his son wanted the body

and they boiled all the flesh off of his bones. They put the flesh back in the grave and they carried his bones and two saddlebags on a horse across Pennsylvania to the other grave and some of the bones fell to the saddlebag on the way there. And the ghost story is on January 1st, which was his birthday, his ghost rides from one grave, the Grave in Presque Isle, across the state to the other one, down Route 322. And I know this because my grandparents lived in Wayne Township when I was a kid.

and we all know that story.

@KeithMalinak (01:18:47.126)
I'm sorry, I heard what you said. However, half of my brain is still back at the, they dug him up after 13 years, then boiled the flesh off his bones.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:18:58.35)
13 years, that's the other thing, 13 years. Yeah, and his son did it. Well, they couldn't move the body because of the, I'm surprised it would have flesh after 13 years myself.

@KeithMalinak (01:19:04.258)
I'm so-

@KeithMalinak (01:19:10.432)
That's what I'm- That's what I'm stuck on, Ed! This is insane! It's gross and it's wrong and just... Let the man be!

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:19:17.974)
It really happened though. But that's why he's the man with two graves. Impress Glenn with that sometime. Who's the founder? He probably has something that belonged to Wayne in his museum.

@KeithMalinak (01:19:21.012)
Okay. I didn't know that.

I so.

Uh-huh.

@KeithMalinak (01:19:31.394)
Yeah, gosh, he probably has like a bottle of the boiled flesh It's like yeah, this is Matt Anthony. Okay. So Caesar Rodney is very important to American history explain why

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:19:35.148)
He probably has... Yeah, or the bones or something.

That's Caesar Rodney.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:19:45.486)
He was the one that when they were deadlocked on I always mix up the declaration and I think it was a declaration wasn't it or was it the it was a declaration yeah. They were there was the New Jersey they were there I'm trying to think what you called them their group there delegates. The delegates that you know each state had their own representatives. They were deadlocked and he was they heard back they were deadlocked if they were going to vote for it and he was sick and

@KeithMalinak (01:20:01.846)
the new jersey plan or what other dot okay

Mm-hmm.

@KeithMalinak (01:20:14.39)
And he had Delaware's vote and his face was falling off from like cancer or something. And so he had to ride as fast as you could.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:20:16.791)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:20:22.07)
I'm trying to- I guess I didn't write down how far,

@KeithMalinak (01:20:25.194)
by holding his face on. Like, he had to hold a, like a kerchief around his jaw or something.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:20:30.222)
Yeah, 80 mile- it was an 80 mile ride through a rainstorm to sign the Declaration of Independence from the deadlock.

@KeithMalinak (01:20:34.21)
with a mouth that just didn't work.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:20:39.458)
Well, he had he always had that scarf around his head He never got married because nobody would marry him because he was all disfigured with his face and every painting of him I find her drawing there always a profile like that So it must have been on the other side of his face And he was he was a lawyer and a farmer before that

@KeithMalinak (01:20:49.826)
Right.

@KeithMalinak (01:20:56.322)
yet he was um... all gosh hang on a second you know what it was up to what was hang on uh... take that they were was hanging on to shakes here it was okay so he died in seventeen eighty four but who is it that uh... who my thinking

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:21:17.11)
I have 1781.

@KeithMalinak (01:21:20.162)
Okay, no, no, no, no, no, you're fine, you're fine. I'm trying to figure out here. Hang on. There's just too much on the fly here. So he wrote a, Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to him in 1800. Somebody help me here. Gosh. I think I'm getting two memories mixed up here.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:21:43.81)
Well, that's why I had to write down people because I would mix them up.

@KeithMalinak (01:21:46.974)
Yeah, dang it, this is killing me. Because no, but what I'm thinking is, think that who had to break the tie of the election of 1800 between Jefferson and Adams? Somebody do my job for me and let me know who broke the tie election of 1800.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:22:01.1)
I don't think that was him, I think it was somebody else.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:22:11.427)
I had read it the last three weeks too, but I just didn't write that one down.

@KeithMalinak (01:22:15.43)
I'm not letting this go. You can keep talking, but I'm gonna keep googling, okay? Or maybe I should go... I'm gonna go to Grok. Let's go to Grok. Let's ask.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:22:19.596)
Away you're googling!

Well, be careful because I've told you we'll get to that what it told me I was gonna mention one more thing with it with Anthony Wayne is he his wife left him because he was confused he she it was a rumor he was having an affair with the wife of an event and then Nathaniel green and there her name was Katherine green and They did not have an affair but what's interesting is that Katherine green was considered general because she would go over all the plans of her husband and all the wives

kind of did that with the General's wives. They were kind of involved like that. And after her husband died, after Nathaniel Green died, she ran a plantation on her own and Eli Whitney tutored her children and she's the one that perfected his plan for the cotton gin. I just didn't have a picture of her.

@KeithMalinak (01:23:15.682)
yes, yes, I'm listening.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:23:18.262)
I just thought that was interesting because you think of the cotton gin tying in with the Civil War.

@KeithMalinak (01:23:24.62)
Yep, yep, you're right. Yep. Sorry, I'm still busy with rock over here.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:23:28.44)
That's alright.

@KeithMalinak (01:23:31.276)
You can keep talking though.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:23:32.59)
Oh well, I was ready for the next person.

@KeithMalinak (01:23:36.066)
Yeah, okay, hang on a second. So, let's see, his most famous act came July 1st and 2nd, 1776. Delaware's delegation was split on the vote for independence. Yeah, okay, so he had one guy for it and one guy against it. But remember, they wanted to be unanimous. And so Rodney was 80 miles away, like you said, in Dover dealing with blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so he had to ride there to basically so that we had unanimous each state.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:23:49.858)
Yeah. Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:24:05.058)
And that's, he's the one that's on the first state quarter they did. Everybody thinks it's Paul Revere, but it's him. I forgot to mention that. I think I might've misspoke and said New Jersey, but I meant Delaware. Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:24:09.1)
That's right! That's right!

@KeithMalinak (01:24:16.214)
Yeah, Delaware, yep. Okay, let's see here. Now we got 38 tabs open, so bear with me. Okay, so here we go. Who's this guy? He looks like fun at parties.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:24:22.336)
Uh-oh. That's... This is... Yeah, well, I'm not sure if he was a good guy or a bad guy, but this is Gilbert Stewart, and he's known as the painter of the founders. And he painted over 1,000 figures of the founding era, including the first six presidents. And his family owned a snuff mill in America, and he got tutored by Cosmo Alexander, the traveling Scottish painter.

and well, the thing is with painters, see back then there were no photographs. And so what painters would do all winter long is they would paint bodies in their studios and they would travel around the country and they would ask if you wanted your picture painted for a fee and they'd paint your face on the body of the picture. And people don't think about that. And he ended up becoming a painter and he went over to Scotland to train.

@KeithMalinak (01:24:52.58)
Wow, that's a mouthful.

@KeithMalinak (01:25:13.036)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:25:21.322)
And then he moved to England and he trained under Benjamin West. Benjamin West was a, was born in Pennsylvania, but he ended up moving to England and he became a master painter there. And he trained all these painters in Europe and America. And what I remember about him when we learned about him in school is that the family in Pennsylvania was so poor for Benjamin West, they would pull the hairs off the cat to make paint brushes. But he's the one that, yeah, but he's the one that trained him. And,

@KeithMalinak (01:25:44.544)
Wow, that's that sucks for the cat.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:25:49.774)
He returned to America in 1793 with the goal of painting George Washington's portrait. And so what he did was he positioned himself to start painting paintings of people in Washington's inner circle. And so that would bring him to the tension of George Washington. When he painted John Jay, George Washington figured, found out who he was and he was interested in having his painting done. And he got the painting done and it was because he wanted to sell copies. He never finished it. That's that painting of Washington where you just see the face, a little bit of the shoulder.

And just kept making copies and selling the copy. So he was kind of benefiting off of all these founders because he was the only one that went and painted what their likenesses were. And he had all these likenesses. He was the keeper of the likenesses.

@KeithMalinak (01:26:31.522)
I mean, that's cool. I mean, you talk about somebody that got to rub shoulders with all the founders. It's the painters.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:26:37.358)
Yeah, and that's what I mean about him. You don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy. was like he was using all these founders to make money, but if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't know what they looked like. like other painters, they would go to him to get access to his files to see what the founders looked like so they could paint the founders in their own paintings. And even then he died in poverty. That's another, yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:26:47.874)
That's right. So let's say opportunistic guy. How about that?

@KeithMalinak (01:27:00.502)
WHA-

@KeithMalinak (01:27:04.671)
They all did. It's unbelievable. This guy, for lack of a better way to describe it, held all of the color negatives of the founding fathers. You would think that would be lucrative. He would die rich and whatever. No.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:27:14.54)
Yeah! And-

Well, what ended up happening is the family just threw him in a hole and buried him and then ten years later they had money to give him a proper burial and they forgot where they buried him.

I don't know how you do that, but I guess they didn't go visit the graves like we do today

@KeithMalinak (01:27:34.058)
Honestly, I would rather be forgotten than have my bones dug up and my my flesh boiled Who's this guy? Patrick Henry? What up, bro?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:27:38.402)
BOILED!

Richard Kenry, he was a self-taught lawyer. He's known as one of the greatest orators of his day. He became an orator because he was inspired by the preachers of the time. But he was the first one that was a lawyer that did that. He grew up in the Great Awakening, a devoutly Christian home. was an abolitionist. He was given six slaves as a wedding gift. That's when you couldn't free them because Virginia law, you couldn't free slaves.

@KeithMalinak (01:27:52.332)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:27:59.896)
interesting.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:28:11.928)
Unless you died then they changed the loophole, you He ran a tavern that was owned by his father-in-law and While he was running the tavern he trained himself to be a lawyer And to take the bar and he met Jefferson there when Jefferson was going to college. He stayed in the barn Jefferson always called him a tavern keeper as an insult because that's what he was when he met him but He he mentored Jefferson a little bit. He was a few years older than Jefferson

@KeithMalinak (01:28:14.55)
Mm-hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:28:42.912)
And the case that got him famous was it was called the Parsons Cause case and that's where the the clergy were supposed to be paid in 16,000 pounds of tobacco and the tobacco crop failed the one year and so they they British were arguing if they were going to have to honor that because they would be getting paid three times as much if you figured out the the market value and That's the case that made him famous and he's the one that won the case

And then there was the he was with the stamp act 1765 fought that French and Indian War He had doubled the England's debt the French in any war that's why they were raising all the taxes over here because they wanted the Americans to pay the taxes and he Got that's what all this led to with the Parsons cause why they were paying them in tobacco instead of money

@KeithMalinak (01:29:40.098)
Oh, okay. So he gave that, he gave the speech, the give me liberty or give me death, that's March of 1775 at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:29:41.29)
And,

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:29:48.984)
Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:29:52.78)
Yeah, I got the whole paragraph, but I wasn't going to read it. Well, didn't. It was well, this is the other thing left says that all the things that he said that they say that he said, they claim they're all made up because nobody has a record of the time that he said them. They were all written down from memory or his notes. So. But. The other quote he was famous for at the time of the war was if this be treason, let's make the most of it.

@KeithMalinak (01:29:56.973)
okay, well, I don't know, it's pretty powerful.

@KeithMalinak (01:30:10.59)
Okay, alright, I can't with this revisionist history stuff.

@KeithMalinak (01:30:20.61)
I know, that's so good.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:30:22.56)
And he rode with Washington to the First Continental Congress of Philadelphia. My spell check changed Philadelphia to pedophilia.

@KeithMalinak (01:30:26.956)
My bad.

@KeithMalinak (01:30:35.88)
Okay, all right, well, huh, that's Philly for you. Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:30:38.7)
His wife became mentally ill.

and

@KeithMalinak (01:30:45.218)
Alright, we're still on pet- I keep trying to leave, I'm getting excited because my boy's next.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:30:49.558)
I know, we're gonna get to him. His wife became mentally ill and when she passed away, he ended up marrying Martha Washington's niece. He worked with Madison. He supported Christians using government funds to support churches. And you don't hear that anymore. Another thing he said to have coined is the term, smell a rat. And that was over. That was over. He refused to participate in framing the constitution.

@KeithMalinak (01:30:51.34)
So okay, so his wife, his wife got what now?

@KeithMalinak (01:30:59.551)
wow.

@KeithMalinak (01:31:12.301)
nice!

@KeithMalinak (01:31:17.578)
Ha ha!

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:31:18.574)
And he didn't trust the northern states for not supporting the southern states in the American Revolution. The reason he rejected the constitution because there wasn't a bill of rights. Yeah. And he had 18 kids. You'll find that as a recurring thing is they have lots of kids, these founders. And another thing you'll find through all these, we didn't talk about with the other ones, is a lot of them died of intestinal issues.

@KeithMalinak (01:31:28.244)
Uh-huh, uh-huh, I like this guy.

@KeithMalinak (01:31:45.986)
Yeah, there was a lot floating around back then.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:31:47.032)
So.

But he also brought the importing of slaves to an end in 1778.

@KeithMalinak (01:31:54.282)
Okay, now that we get to go to the Marquis de Lafayette who I would just like to I just like to point out for my birthday every year I make myself a shirt and One year I made myself this shirt which it says I Think it yeah, if you can see here it says Marquis de Lafayette solid proof that France wasn't always worthless. Thank you

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:31:57.26)
Yep, now we get to Lafayette.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:32:11.586)
And that might even be the same picture from the painting.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:32:21.646)
I think he was the only Frenchman that wasn't. Well, if you when you read his story, he was like a teenager when all this happened with the founding. And, you he's very enthusiastic that all got tied into it. I got his background when he was in France, we never hear about that. His mother and grandmother, passed away. And then when he was 14, he became a musketeer. And when he was 14.

@KeithMalinak (01:32:24.322)
So awesome guy, yeah

@KeithMalinak (01:32:31.217)
Exactly.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:32:49.262)
See, he was part of the aristocrats there. They did arrange marriages. And when he was 14, one of his neighbors wanted him to marry his 12 year old daughter. And the mother thought the daughter was too young, so they had to wait two years. So when the daughter was 14, he was 16, it was okay. People think that's weird now, but back then people didn't live that long.

@KeithMalinak (01:33:09.366)
Yeah, yeah, okay. I know man, still weird.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:33:11.096)
But he, yeah, and well, you don't even think about them being married, that young Lafayette and everything. You just think about him coming over here as a teenager. He already had a kid by the time he came over here the first time.

@KeithMalinak (01:33:24.426)
Yeah, so I mean, and with George Washington not being able to have kids, they assume he was sterile.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:33:31.608)
think that was a god at play there because if Washington had descendants, we would be seeing them, they'd always go to them all the time in the news. What's your opinion to this? Is Washington's descendant? Don't you ever think about that?

@KeithMalinak (01:33:41.538)
Yeah, yeah. Hell, they could be our king today, right? But he was...

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:33:48.044)
Yeah, I mean, in his because Martha had kids from another marriage. think that's how they were related to Robert E. Lee.

@KeithMalinak (01:33:54.261)
Mm-hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:33:58.68)
Right?

@KeithMalinak (01:33:59.388)
Yes, yes, yes, I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah. So, so he was basically the son that Washington never had.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:34:02.188)
And you never hear about Lee's descendants either. I think he had some.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:34:11.168)
Yeah, he was adopted son of Washington. That's how it was regarded. And he had to sneak over here to come over here because his father-in-law didn't want him coming over here and abandoning his daughter.

@KeithMalinak (01:34:22.476)
Yeah, this guy, here's a fun fact for you. And I'm sorry, I already have to give the answer. It'd be a fun trivia question. You can use this at parties this weekend, y'all. Okay, so go up to your friends and say, name the foreigner who has more things named for him in the United States than anybody else in its Lafayette. I mean, just think of it, the cities, the streets, all that good stuff, it's this cat.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:34:49.25)
He's not even considered a foreigner because after they framed the Constitution on what a national born citizen was Congress passed a law special only for Lafayette only him and all of his descendants to the end of time. They're American citizens. So I kind of wonder I kind of wonder what the sentence today. Where are they? You don't hear about them.

@KeithMalinak (01:35:02.306)
That is so cool. So cool, Ed.

@KeithMalinak (01:35:07.776)
Yeah, I don't know. That's a great question and we need to find out. And I mean, he's got a statue in the US Capitol. I mean, this guy was so important to our existence.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:35:17.57)
Yeah. For now, cause I-

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:35:24.204)
i got told they rotate those statues in and out of the capital sometimes i don't know if he's still there or not

@KeithMalinak (01:35:31.456)
Now I'm getting a little concerned, bro.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:35:33.422)
Well, I got told that back in the 90s when I was there for a visit, but he defied the king to come to America. He bought a ship to come over here on a trade ship. He bought all the cargo on the ship so he could get over here because he was afraid that the king would would catch him. And when he got here, Franklin knew him in France. And by then, Franklin had got here and he was for. Franklin was his biggest supporter. He couldn't speak English, so he taught himself English on the boat ride over here.

@KeithMalinak (01:35:36.968)
You gonna make me ask rock again? Dang it.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:36:04.13)
and within a year he was fluent in it.

@KeithMalinak (01:36:06.348)
This guy. This guy. By the way, you're right, man. The statues in the U.S. Capitol are occasionally rotated in and out, though it's not as a frequent or routine process. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I bet it has. gosh, I bet it has. Let's see. Hold on. Well, there's too much here. But yes, you're correct.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:36:16.578)
I bet it's been more frequent in recent years!

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:36:28.878)
He was so enthusiastic for the American cause he offered to serve without pay and after that he did that the Congress made him the Major General But that's that's probably because they figured they'd have to pay him

@KeithMalinak (01:36:39.116)
freaking hero.

@KeithMalinak (01:36:43.202)
You know we don't have to pay this guy a general salary you imagine. That's awesome

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:36:46.412)
So he's the major general. Washington wouldn't let him run his own regiment at the beginning because he was a foreigner. But by the end, they became such close friends, father and son there, he did.

@KeithMalinak (01:36:59.744)
Yeah, he was his partner in all sorts of battle planning. Yes. Okay, what else we got here?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:37:05.038)
He went back to France a couple times during the war. When he went back the first time, the King arrested him, but he could put him on house arrest for eight days just so he would save face. Well, no, he got sent back, but Lafayette wanted to invade England and lead the army from France to invade England. The King wouldn't do it, so he came back to America. Washington ended up sending him to Virginia with General von Stubben. He was at Yorktown there, and we went into that a little bit earlier.

@KeithMalinak (01:37:08.449)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:37:16.192)
He escaped.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:37:35.246)
He brokered a trade agreement with France after the war. Now this is the other interesting thing I mentioned to you off air. He was one of the co-founders of the Society of the Friends of Blacks to Abolish Slavery and that was in France. And they orchestrated stopping the slave trade to France. And when he came back over here, he's the one that talked to all the founders about abolishing slavery.

and some say that's why washington and up freeing the slaves in his uh... was because a lot of its influence but you never hear about this lafayette being a abolitionist you don't hear anything about that at all in his bio anyway i found that i was an adult and uh... at when he came back fifty years later is cuz he got invited over here to come back he was supposed to be here for a few months and he had a staying for a year and a half

@KeithMalinak (01:38:27.83)
He went all over the place. He wanted to see.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:38:28.928)
And he went to all 20, there were 24 states, he went to all of them. He brought his son with him, George Washington Lafayette. He named him after George Washington. And he may have been the first person to name their son after George Washington. Because it was during, it was when he went over the first time that his son was born. And he was over in France during the revolution. And he was one of the key figures, but he wouldn't get involved with a lot of the stuff the French were doing because he stood for the American idea of freedom.

@KeithMalinak (01:38:35.394)
Ha

@KeithMalinak (01:38:41.014)
wow, yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:38:58.178)
and was always clashing with him. ended up fleeing to the Netherlands, he got imprisoned, he got offered to run a position in Napoleon's government, he turned it down. And when James Monroe invited him over here, he went to Washington's grave, and that was the first time he'd seen the grave, because Washington had died by then, 50 years later, you know. And when he was on the Ohio River, the boat sank, and his son saved his life.

and he went and got some of the dirt in Valley Forge when he went to Valley Forge and that got sprinkled on his grave when he died.

@KeithMalinak (01:39:36.45)
Wait a minute, say that again, what got sprinkled on his grave when he died?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:39:38.998)
He got he took some dirt from Valley Forge because that was Washington's home and his son sprinkled on his grave when he died and he and some of the he got some soil from Bunker Hill too and when he died in France the king gave him a state a state funeral and People claimed it was so the the commoners couldn't go to the funeral, but he was given all these honors and in America He was the only person I don't know if it's changed now But he was the only foreigner who's ever given a funeral the as high as a presidential funeral

@KeithMalinak (01:39:41.346)
@KeithMalinak (01:40:10.496)
Wow, man.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:40:11.199)
And I forget what day you were talking about the inaugurations, people giving a speech. And John Quincy Adams gave a six hour speech for eulogy for him.

@KeithMalinak (01:40:21.513)
my gosh.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:40:22.254)
John Quincy Adams is one of my ancestors and he was banned from speaking in the Senate anymore because he was always bringing up abolishing slavery.

@KeithMalinak (01:40:33.41)
John Quincy Adams gave a six hour speech at Lafayette's funeral you said?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:40:38.604)
Yeah, I think it was six, maybe it was three. It was a long speech. I couldn't believe how long of a speech it was.

@KeithMalinak (01:40:44.084)
Yeah, because the one that I pointed out on my day job, Pat Gray Unleashed, that you're referencing was Fidel Castro has given five hour speeches before. Let's see. John Quincy Adams was an awesome guy too.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:40:58.894)
Well, I'm proud to be a descendant of John Quincy Adams because they shut him up and people try to shut me up for the same reasons.

@KeithMalinak (01:41:05.932)
That is, wow. Okay, so let's see, who we got next here? Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:41:10.156)
Benedict Arnold's next and now everyone knows who Benedict Arnold is but they don't know what he did Well, he's considered the American Judas and He was a son of a merchant his great-grandfather was governor of Rhode Island his father lost his business became an alcoholic Benedict Arnold stutter studied apocrypha I can't say it a pocket care curate. You know, where they they do the medications

@KeithMalinak (01:41:16.48)
@KeithMalinak (01:41:21.452)
Right?

@KeithMalinak (01:41:40.775)
okay. He's a medicine man.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:41:40.942)
Yeah, I can't yeah He commonly told a tale of the french indian ward where he served 13 days and deserted people make up a lot of stories about benedict donald always being a trader because It's become folklore. So it's hard to find out what stories are accurate for a lot of this But I tried to just have the ones that are verified At the start of the war he was a shipping merchant and his first wife died at the capture of fort tecana roga

@KeithMalinak (01:42:01.398)
Mm-mm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:42:10.446)
Then he led the campaign to Quebec and that got all screwed up the Canadians chased them out and So he's reason why there's not a 51st date. It's there

@KeithMalinak (01:42:20.374)
We'll be back, Governor Trudeau!

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:42:23.264)
At Saratoga he was wounded and there's a monument there because Benedict Donald, they passed a law, an act of Congress, he can never have a monument with his name or anything on it. They have a monument with a boot as the nameless soldier for what he did at Saratoga. And that was put there in the 1860s. And Washington put him in charge of Philadelphia. He was one of the major generals of the whole war. If it had gone a little differently, he would be celebrated today.

@KeithMalinak (01:42:46.508)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:42:50.754)
Well, I mean, he got jealous, right? Because he was passed over for advancement.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:42:53.72)
Well that and he was mad that they wouldn't Congress wouldn't pay him But the other part of it was he married a second wife was Peggy Shepton and she was Tory So what it's in the Bible about how women influence their husbands and everything and so this is biblical and he got accused of corruption and and he married into this lawyerless family and he just got tired all this grief he was getting from the

@KeithMalinak (01:42:57.442)
That's fact, yep, yep.

@KeithMalinak (01:43:04.564)
Yeah, it's always a woman, am I right?

@KeithMalinak (01:43:10.004)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

So.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:43:23.106)
congress and everything so he switched sides and how he switched sides was his wife was she was the ex-girlfriend of Major John Andre and that's who he defected to and he got promised he'd get all these things if he defected to Britain but what ended up happening was the British didn't trust him either because he was a traitor to the American cause so he was was screwed either way

@KeithMalinak (01:43:48.799)
Yeah

Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:43:53.304)
So where he got caught was there was Washington put him in charge of West Point. That's when it was a fort. It wasn't a school back then and he was going to surrender it to the British and I think it was Andre that was coming where he had the letter from Benedict Arnold and they ended up searching him on accident there. They didn't know that he was a spy and they found this letter and it's how they found out that Benedict Arnold was the trader.

and watching it be there west point that day so far she had been there with are really good at captured or killed and

Andre ended up getting hanged the British wanted him back and Washington refused and he hanged Andre and Washington never forgave Arnold for what he did and he was always trying to capture him to hang him and they never did because he he was always a coward he fled over to England and He went he came back over to go ahead

@KeithMalinak (01:44:30.835)
Yippers.

@KeithMalinak (01:44:50.604)
Yeah. Things didn't go so well over there.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:44:55.308)
No, he came over to Canada because the English wouldn't accept him and the Canadians wouldn't accept him because he tried to invade Canada. So then he went back over to England, he died in exile. the story that goes with him that there's no way to verify it, but they always say that on his deathbed he wanted to wear his American uniform and he regretted what he had done and he asked God to forgive him. now due to a clerical error,

@KeithMalinak (01:45:04.768)
Yeah, a man without a country, literally.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:45:24.14)
no one knows where he's buried. he doesn't even know where his grave is. So we go from two graves to no grave. He had no military honors in the British when he died. And Benjamin Franklin said about him, Judas sold only one man, Arnold sold three million.

@KeithMalinak (01:45:26.622)
A clerical error.

@KeithMalinak (01:45:32.566)
That is

@KeithMalinak (01:45:45.314)
Ben Franklin dropping him. Yeah, he did. Who's this cat?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:45:50.478)
Ben Franklin had some good ones there That's John Trumbull and he's known as the painter of the American Revolution now all those paintings you see of the battles and the signing and everything This is what people don't realize about those is he interviewed all the people that were there So the compositions are as close to the reality as they could be. They're not just something he invented and

@KeithMalinak (01:46:09.27)
That's cool, man. Okay, that is really good to know.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:46:13.742)
And his backstory was his brother was the first commissioner general in the Continental Army. He had another brother that was the second speaker of the House. He could only see out of one eye. And he went to Harvard. He graduated at age 15. He was a soldier. He sketched battle plans for the military in the revolution. He was at the Battle of Bunker Hill. He ended up resigning the military over a dispute over pay.

the date he was commissioned, that affected his pay. So he became an artist, he went to London, he also studied under Benjamin West, like the previous. Then he met Franklin there, he started painting portraits of all the Americans that were in France, and he started talking to them about where they were and the different battles and everything. He painted Washington from memory over there in England, in France, because he knew what he looked like. When John Andre was hung for treason,

@KeithMalinak (01:47:06.882)
Hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:47:13.166)
He got arrested over in England and they wanted to hang him in retaliation But because he was a painter he got they let him go

@KeithMalinak (01:47:22.742)
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait minute. So you can say, you can play the painter card and say like, whoa.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:47:26.21)
He played, well they wanted a painting because you had to have skill to be a He's still in prison for months and when he got released he came back over to America and he went back a few years later to finish his training under West. Then he went to Paris again and when he came back over here he met with a lot of the people in person. So he knew what they looked like and where they were and everything and when it wasn't possible to meet the person because they died he met with the family.

@KeithMalinak (01:47:29.992)
Yeah, okay, alright.

@KeithMalinak (01:47:55.201)
Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:47:55.776)
And to survive, he sold small portraits of each of the signers of the declaration. And he ended up being signed over to England as, I think it was Secretary of State under John Jay. John Jay was Secretary of State. But they negotiated the treaty with England. He was there for that. And he eventually became president of the American Academy of Fine Arts. But the neat thing about him is you don't think that...

@KeithMalinak (01:48:01.995)
That's cool.

@KeithMalinak (01:48:20.866)
Alright.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:48:23.084)
those paintings you think they're all imagined, but they talked to the people that were there. And he's the one that did the painting where Lafayette is with James Armistead. James Armistead's behind Lafayette. There's that famous painting. And Armistead's dressed all fancy for some reason.

@KeithMalinak (01:48:40.243)
okay. I love, I never even thought of that Ed of how the painters would interview people that were there to get a full picture. That's amazing.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:48:47.928)
Wait, you can impress all the painters at the Blaze now because you know that story.

@KeithMalinak (01:48:55.318)
There it is, there it is. Baron Friedrich Wilhelm von Stoibin.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:48:59.436)
That's him and He came from military family and he joined the military this is over in Germany when he was there he joined the military at age 16 and became known as one of the most disciplined officers in the Prussian Army and the Prussian Army is the most disciplined army on earth at that time and He was in that he was in the Seven Years War over there He was a Chamberlain for 11 years and that's where he got the title of being a Baron and that was

his niece was married to a lord and that's how he got the title and he was unable to find work with no wars going on so that's why he talked to franklin this is another thing soldiers could could be an occupation you could go to other countries and fighting their wars for them that was a common thing back then well they didn't call him that back then

@KeithMalinak (01:49:45.986)
Yeah, those are called mercenaries. And he wasn't because he is responsible for whipping our army into shape. Absolutely.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:49:56.224)
He's the father of the American military. That's what he was always known for. how he got over here was he got to know Benjamin Franklin when he was in France. Franklin recruited him. And then when he wrote Congress, he exaggerated all the great deeds that he did or he'd done. And...

@KeithMalinak (01:50:14.998)
I mean, who among us?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:50:16.95)
Well, Franklin did a lot of that.

And when he came over here, he was wearing, he was dressed up all in his uniforms and everything. then him and his staff, were all dressed in red and people thought they were British and they almost got arrested right off the boat. And he ended up reporting to Washington and Valley Forge and he was supposed to get paid after the war. So there's another part of it again. Well, he ended up getting, they gave him land instead and they made him a citizen.

@KeithMalinak (01:50:44.266)
And then what happened, Ed?

@KeithMalinak (01:50:48.866)
Okay. Alright. Hey, that's not a bad deal.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:50:51.776)
Nah, well, it's we'll get to the bad deal what they do to him now, but Washington named him inspector general and he's the one that developed before he came over here The army just kind of they were good old boys They just stayed wherever they wanted all over the the camp and they didn't do latrines and all that stuff And he's the one that really disciplined we're gonna do this here. This is where the mess hall is. This is where we do that, you know Yeah

@KeithMalinak (01:50:57.74)
Mm-hmm.

@KeithMalinak (01:51:15.562)
It was chaos until he got here. Chaos. And the soldiers were getting sick and there was no discipline and they were leaving and just chaos, honestly. And you can say this about so many different individuals who were involved in the war effort. You can say what I'm about to say about so many, but I really think with the Baron here that if he doesn't come over here and

whip our army into shape, I think it's safe to say that we lose this war. Crucial, that's the word, thank you. It's crucial to the American victory. And again, Lafayette is, and Washington of course is, and there are so many individuals who are crucial to the story. But this guy for sure is one of those critical pieces.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:51:52.204)
I think he's one of the most crucial people, actually. Yeah. Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:52:06.733)
And think about that.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:52:10.75)
about what the world was like there. They couldn't send an email or a letter in a few days that had to go over on a boat and the news came back and they had to go across land all this stuff. You had maybe six months before somebody would react and all these people just happened to be there at the right time in the right place.

@KeithMalinak (01:52:17.026)
hehe

@KeithMalinak (01:52:27.754)
I love how this guy comes over here and he's barking at him in German. Hysterical. I know.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:52:31.078)
Well, didn't speak English. Alexander Hamilton and John Lawrence translated his orders into English. Now, some of the sources claim that he was swearing at the soldiers in German, but I don't know if that's true because Washington didn't tolerate swearing in the army.

@KeithMalinak (01:52:37.314)
Hilarious.

@KeithMalinak (01:52:46.626)
Yeah, but Washington didn't speak German, bruh.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:52:48.438)
I know, that's why I don't know if it's true or not.

and he kept meticulous records so that the congress couldn't grift on the war that was the other thing that happened and he trained the volunteer army to be a standard army he created the different the model where you have the company a company be and all that let's see he he led several battles he sat on the court martial john andrea who was with the benedict are he was the british soldier that we captured now he was watching his chief of staff

@KeithMalinak (01:53:00.368)
Ha

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:53:22.348)
He got discharged in 1784. became a U.S. citizen. He was given an estate. One of the interesting things is, he has a holiday. Did you know that? Von Stubende is September 17th. And that's his day. It was probably a gay day knowing how every day is gay now. But the parade.

@KeithMalinak (01:53:36.692)
What? Wait, September 17th's already taken, but what?

@KeithMalinak (01:53:42.882)
No, no, no, that's Constitution Day. Go ahead.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:53:46.86)
The parade in Ferris Bueller's Day Off is the Von Steuben Day Parade in Chicago the year it was filmed.

@KeithMalinak (01:53:53.638)
September 7th is yeah, Constitution Day is September 17th. So we need to find a different one for My bad. Okay. I didn't remember that. Did they did they say that in Ferris Bueller's Day off?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:53:59.32)
Well, that's his birthday. That's why I got

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:54:05.954)
I don't know if they said that in the film or not, but I always knew that that was filmed on his day. That's the parade. And now he got purged from history in World War I because he was German. That was Woodrow Wilson again. And they even threw out some of the things that he did in the military because a German came up with him. And he was gone from history till the 90s. And then he came back because in the 90s they started to say that he was gay. And there's, we'll see that.

@KeithMalinak (01:54:10.614)
That's great. The parade, OK.

@KeithMalinak (01:54:17.794)
Mmm.

@KeithMalinak (01:54:32.642)
Aren't we all at this point? Come on.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:54:35.406)
Well, this one, I told you what Grok said. asked Grok who was... Grok told me he did the first Pride Parade at Valley Forge and he just wore his hat and his boots and he rode his horse naked through camp.

@KeithMalinak (01:54:38.911)
yeah, yeah, what'd say? What did say?

@KeithMalinak (01:54:51.37)
Okay, now, can we just stop for a second right there? Let's just say that that happened. How is that a pride thing? That could just be, I'm a goofy, drunk German, riding through camp. mean, that describes the dorm floor that I lived on at the University of Nebraska. That's not a pride parade. That's...

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:54:58.082)
They- I'm drunk!

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:55:07.489)
Yeah.

Well, they always claim whenever there's someone that didn't get married and they didn't have kids they'll try to say that they were gay and he left he left all of his estate it was two of the soldiers under him but he they tried to clean this stuff with World War two of the soldiers that they're the Comradery between the soldiers means they were gay. That does not mean they were gay. There's a camaraderie between soldiers And and that's why he got brought back. But the 90s that's when they when Clinton was

@KeithMalinak (01:55:14.408)
Okay.

@KeithMalinak (01:55:26.709)
I know.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:55:33.164)
got caught with the Lewinsky thing. That's when they brought back Sally Heming. That's when they tried to say Washington had an affair with Sally Fairfax. None of that stuff's based on reality. And that's when they started saying he was gay. And Washington didn't, this is the other thing. Washington didn't tolerate gays in the military back then. You got kicked out of the military, you got whipped, all this stuff. He stayed in Washington's quarters. So if he was gay, wouldn't Washington have known? Since they bring it up, I have to bring up the counters and people don't like that.

@KeithMalinak (01:55:56.13)
Okay, wow

Yeah. All right. So, I know this chick, Betsy Ross. She's pretty important.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:56:04.802)
This is Betsy Ross. Now the left try to say she never existed. But that's what they've tried to say now. They tried to say that she was just made up, but she existed. She was the wife of George Ross who signed the Declaration of Independence. And she was thrown out of the Quakers for marrying him because he was from a different denomination.

@KeithMalinak (01:56:10.55)
What?

@KeithMalinak (01:56:16.556)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (01:56:28.392)
no, boy.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:56:29.778)
Started an upholstery business. Well people don't realize the denominations were considered different religions So when you read the founders were talking about religions, they're talking about Christian denominations They're not talking about every single religion under the Sun

@KeithMalinak (01:56:40.47)
Right. Yeah, yeah, okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:56:44.286)
She started upholstery business with her husband. They made the tents, the blankets, the uniforms, they repaired uniforms, they stuffed paper tubing in the musket balls. You don't think about an upholstery shop doing this stuff, but they had to make all this stuff from scratch. And she met Washington because they all attended Christ Church, and that's how she ended up getting asked to start making flags for the military. And when they had the design for the American flag, Robert Morris went...

with Washington there to see her to do the flag. She changed the shape of the stars so they could get the stars on there. Her husband died in the war and her second husband was captured with the Navy and tried for treason and hung. Her third husband was a farmer and the family all died from a yellow fever outbreak. And the experts claim that she never designed the flag. She didn't exist. It's all made up, but it's true.

@KeithMalinak (01:57:42.998)
It's a lot of trouble if she's not real to come up with all these stories about her former husbands. My gosh, okay. Right, right, right, okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:57:48.172)
Yeah, when was the signer of the Declaration of Independence?

Now this is John Paul Jones, he's the father of the Navy.

@KeithMalinak (01:57:57.814)
Yeah, he's also a hell of a bass player for Zeppelin, but I digress.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:58:01.388)
I think he was a rock singer too.

@KeithMalinak (01:58:03.458)
Alright, so what's this guy's story?

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:58:07.084)
He was born in Scotland. was a sailor at 13 years old on British merchant ships and He was an abolitionist. He called slavery an abominable trade and When he was on one of these slave ships that he got assigned to he abandoned it in Jamaica and he found his way back to Scotland He became a captain of a ship and age 21 When the first the first mate died of the yellow fever and that's how he became a captain He flogged a man who'd of mutiny who died from his injuries and then that

Made him a he got arrested and when he was out on bail he fled and He went to america where he had a recently deceased brother and he moved into the property there And what he told franklin about when he killed this guy, it was self-defense And the guy was from an infelusional family. So he wanted to get a him Killed for killing the family member But he and he was he was given a pardon for this in 1999. They gave him a

Post-Mothra's pardon, I know I didn't say that right. 1999. So did I. Some people believe he was a pirate for a while because he disappeared for about a year and a half in his history. And when he came back, that's when he added the Jones to his name.

@KeithMalinak (01:59:09.44)
Wow, and night... What? I missed that. Wow.

@KeithMalinak (01:59:26.664)
okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:59:27.63)
he he did several he was he was commander of several ships and Most of the fighting he did in the war was over. He would stop the trade ships coming here from England he was over there and in France and England and When when France became the first nation to recognize America his ship became the first American vessel saluted by the French and He want he went after the British merchant ships and supply ships

@KeithMalinak (01:59:51.171)
wow.

@Real_Ed_McCray (01:59:56.942)
He got into a fight with Tom with John Adams Now if you see some of the movies how they would fight with though in this the ships they would have the ships kind of cruise against each other and then fire the cannons and go by and There's the he did a lot of battles with that. I just didn't want to be redundant with them all but after the war what he ended up doing was he went over to fight in the Russian War and He was in charge of the Russian Navy

@KeithMalinak (02:00:08.353)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (02:00:21.154)
Mmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:00:23.202)
He got some of the Russians mad at him. The Commodore Gregory Temkin became an enemy and he accused him of raping a 10 year old girl.

@KeithMalinak (02:00:31.61)
my gosh, wait a minute, wait a minute. John Paul Jones was accused?

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:00:35.214)
John Paul Jones he got accused of that and I couldn't find if it's true or not because there's conflicting stories and I know I was disappointed and What he ended up doing was he fled to France and he died at age 45 of intestinal problems They found him dead in his room, but he did all these things. was yeah, that's what I said almost everybody died from that and his body wasn't found until 1905 and then it was brought back to America and

@KeithMalinak (02:00:41.118)
@KeithMalinak (02:00:46.518)
Yeah, I hope it's not true.

@KeithMalinak (02:00:53.954)
Didn't everybody die from that? Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:01:03.954)
FDR wanted to make a movie about his life, but the script got rejected. So I don't know what that was about.

@KeithMalinak (02:01:10.208)
Wow.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:01:11.47)
Because FDR did that movie where Walter Houston becomes president and becomes a dictator, if you remember. I think it's called Gabriel over the White House. And Woodrow Wilson was the one that wrote the book that Birth of a Nation was based on.

@KeithMalinak (02:01:18.932)
my goodness, I don't know that.

@KeithMalinak (02:01:26.939)
I didn't write it. He had the screening at the White House, right? Was he really that...

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:01:30.776)
Well, no, he was involved with the story. He wrote the book and the screen. Yeah, I was. That's why I was connect the two together because I have I had the film background and they did those two horrible films. This is Francis Marion, the swamp box.

@KeithMalinak (02:01:39.36)
Wow, okay. Well, let's move on. Yes, Swamp Fox, South Carolina, let's go.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:01:47.03)
He's the Robin Hood of the American Revolution.

@KeithMalinak (02:01:50.323)
I will just say, side note, there's a hell of a she crab soup served at the Francis Marion Hotel in Charleston, South Carolina, if you're ever in the area. Continue.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:02:01.282)
well, he was robbing of the revolution and he only did that for like a year and a half two years He was he did this he was the did the father of guerrilla warfare to this day That's what he's known for too where they would hide and kill the British H15 he was hired as an emergency ship to the West Indies at Sank and all the survivors and him spent a week at sea until they were rescued and He came back around the Fairleigh Foundation when the British see Charleston

@KeithMalinak (02:02:12.95)
Hehehe.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:02:28.492)
He wasn't there so he they didn't capture him and that's when he became the swamp Fox that was 50 to 70 backwoodsmen and they had that island that they would all meet at he had a broken ankle so he wasn't there when they captured all of the the the officers and He was the only opposition in the region and his men all came out of Snow Island That's where they met. This is like Robin Hood the Merry Men sure would force all that it really is We have so many these stories today. They're all people that are like world

figures you think of in folklore but these people existed and He his men They didn't work. They didn't get paid. They didn't have very much food Yeah, Walt Disney did a series of episodes on the swamp Fox and that's even in their song that they don't get any money That's in the theme song

@KeithMalinak (02:03:08.8)
Ha! There's such a common theme in today's stories!

@KeithMalinak (02:03:19.673)
man!

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:03:23.95)
Got I think it's got no pay got no money. You don't even get the continental money And how he got the name the swamp fox is general Tarleton the British He said that he's a swamp fox. The devil himself couldn't catch. So there's the devil in our history again

@KeithMalinak (02:03:39.564)
That's awesome. I don't know if it was Charlton. was, it might have been Cornwallis. I don't know. was a British general. Just since we're talking about, you know, how they got nicknames and all this stuff. The Charlotte Hornets. Somebody can look this up. I guess during the Revolutionary War that they couldn't capture the city of Charlotte.

because, and one of the generals said every time they would like try to go in there, it was like disturbing a hornet's nest or something like that. And so the basketball team is now named the Charlotte Hornets based on, isn't that fun? I love stuff like that. I love historic, like just obscure facts that end up becoming weaved into something that you would never see, like the Charlotte Hornets, for example.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:04:11.96)
I didn't know that. Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:04:24.086)
that's like the redskins was named after the captain of the team wasn't even named after the the indians as a group in the past it was named after that one specific coach of the team

@KeithMalinak (02:04:35.212)
Don't get me started on that story. Yes, it's so honorable is what was happening with that.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:04:37.046)
Well, I hope that it's going to go back. The other another interesting thing about Francis Marion, you remember I said that the British was they would free the slaves if they joined the British cause. He inherited his slaves and they wouldn't join the British. They wanted to stay and fight with him as part of the swamp foxes group. And he never freed them. This is what's it's not what people thought. Think it is, I guess, because there were family loyalty between some of these slaves with their master's family.

And it's not to justify slavery or anything, it's just explaining what the times were like.

@KeithMalinak (02:05:07.872)
Yeah, I know. I can't get into that mindset, you know? I can't imagine they would turn it down. Yeah. on Francis Marion, my bad. Sure.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:05:12.128)
I can't either, but it is what it is. I just got a couple more here on Francis Marion. I just have two sentences here. Now, Francis Marion, the left got him kicked out of history books because they claim he raped slaves and he slaughtered Indians for fun, but there's no evidence of that. That's why he got pulled out of the history books. When he died, one of his slaves said of him at his funeral was,

General Marion was part rawhide, part vinegar, wrapped around the biggest heart on the continent. And that was a slave that said that.

@KeithMalinak (02:05:49.036)
Huh.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:05:50.508)
But not justifying it, we're just understanding the context of the time.

@KeithMalinak (02:05:54.87)
Yeah, I'm just hoping we can break this streak of raping of children in our stories here. Yeah. Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:06:01.998)
Well, that's the only one that was just, it was John Paul Jones and that kind of shocked me. I almost didn't put him in our list because of that. And there's a statue of him that looks like Vladimir Putin and he fought over in Russia. So I kind of wonder if it's like the great, great, great grandson or something. Cause they look exactly alike.

@KeithMalinak (02:06:09.975)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (02:06:20.916)
Okay, alright.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:06:22.21)
This is the Culper Spy Ring. We actually got through all of them today. I didn't know we would. That's Major Benjamin Talmadge. He's the only one I could find a picture of. Because all the other people were anonymous, you know? And how he became head of the Culper Spy Ring is because Nathan Hale was a spy. He got hung, or hanged, you want, whatever the proper grammar is.

@KeithMalinak (02:06:34.668)
Mm-hmm.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:06:47.616)
Yeah So so washington had wanted to do something else because they were what they were doing is they were taking military men and they were making them into the the The spies and the british kept hanging them so he thomage came up to him with the idea. We'll get civilians to do this and It's just like like the the girl that works in the in the tavern and she just happens to overhear things and she just goes about her business and they get the information and

she doesn't get caught and The competitor with him was Charles Scott and he was the one that was involved with Nathan Hale and three of the five of his five of the five Spies in New York they got caught. So this is what led to Talmadge being the new head spy master and Their secrecy was so tight Washington even know the identity of the slaves or the not the slaves the spies

@KeithMalinak (02:07:41.28)
That is what is so, the spies. That is so fascinating right there.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:07:45.934)
We didn't know till the 20th century this even existed was the 19 I have it here somewhere here. I think it was 1930 yeah 1929 and even when I was looking this up, they even found a new another one in 2020 to 2022 they found another member of the spy ring and I did I I look in my books and I go see what's online to see if anything's updated

@KeithMalinak (02:07:49.218)
It's unbelievable.

@KeithMalinak (02:08:05.94)
It's just fascinating.

@KeithMalinak (02:08:12.49)
or changed.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:08:13.588)
Yeah, why that took so long to mention things like what would count with General Von Stubben in the gay pride parade. Now, I asked at that again later and it didn't come up again. So maybe they fixed it. But the other members of the ring, the head one, the next one where they got the name was Abraham Woodhull. He was known as Samuel Culper Senior. And that's how they got to be called the Culper Spy Ring. And how they got what it was named after was when Washington was a surveyor, he worked in Culpeper County, Virginia. And that's where they think that the name came from, as they made it Culper.

Then there was Caleb Brewster. He was he was the courier and a strong. wonder if it's related to Your Wes's wife there. He said strong was the last name. No. okay,

@KeithMalinak (02:08:54.72)
No, no, it's no, that's not it. No, no Victoria's strong like, you know, like Boston strong or yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:09:01.498)
Okay, I'm sorry I misunderstood but She she was Anna strong was this was this spy her husband was considered her confirmed a spy in 2022 he was the one that they found out was a spy in the ring nobody knew till then but before that she stayed behind New York and He got sent away cuz he they suspect him for a spy the British did so he fled and She stayed there and what she would do is she'd get the messages

and she'd hang different color handkerchiefs and petticoats and things on the clothesline. And then Robert Townshead was another one in the group. He went by the name Samuel Culper Jr. and he gathered the intelligence in New York City. He posed as a loyalist merchant. And then there was Austin Rowe and he delivered messages from New York City to Woodhill, then Culper Sr. And their methods of coding messages, they were still being used into the 20th century. They'd use the invisible ink, they'd use number codes.

@KeithMalinak (02:09:31.17)
Right? Incredible.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:09:58.382)
They had a code book. There was also an agent 355 and they still debate if that was Anna Strong or somebody else because it was a woman and So when they some of their intelligence they would just they had designated areas in the in the wilderness and things they just throw the they call it a dead drop and they just leave their parcel there and then someone come and pick it up and They broke a lot of different things. I don't have to list them all off but

They were also, they were the ones that found out that one of the generals was a double, was gonna be a turncoat, Benedict Arnold, that's what got them all alerted that somebody was a traitor. It was all because of the spy ring. And I always wonder how they told that story before when no one knew the spy ring existed until the 1930s. And all through, these people I listed off, all of them got named since then, some of in the 50s and 60s and 70s, they didn't all get to know who they were right at the beginning. They found out that

@KeithMalinak (02:10:47.938)
That's a fair question.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:10:57.498)
Talmadge was the spy master in the beginning and then I think Anna strong came second now Some of them are trying to say Anna strong was never a spy so

@KeithMalinak (02:11:07.714)
wonder if they ever got to meet like a a copper spy ring reunion 20 years after the war hey hey remember that dead drop I did and

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:11:14.476)
I would assume so, but we're thinking like 21st century people.

@KeithMalinak (02:11:19.21)
I gotcha, I gotcha. Ed, it's a treat, man. I love doing this stuff with you. you're fascinating.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:11:24.462)
There were tons of them I didn't even write down. had tons of women and stuff. When I got to 35 pages, I'm like, we better stop. I didn't mean to freak you out.

@KeithMalinak (02:11:27.874)
Bye. Y'all.

Here's what we need to do. And you need to do this on your Rumble channel. Remind everyone where that is. It's rumble.com slash it's... Re... Okay.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:11:39.086)
I rediscovering Walt Disney. I've got a couple of rumble pages because I've got the one with American history, too It's forgotten American history. I put all Glenn's Founder shows on there I've got a lot of the capitalist cartoons from the 50s that

@KeithMalinak (02:11:46.005)
Okay.

@KeithMalinak (02:11:51.746)
Yeah, Ed is just a wealth of history, knowledge. And here's, here's my challenge to Ed. And I, and I haven't, I haven't even mentioned this to you. It just kind of occurred to me when you were here wrapping it up. What, what I bet you could do if you wanted to on your rumble channel, you could do a 24 hours of Ed marathon where you just talk history, just you 24 hours.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:12:18.242)
I know.

@KeithMalinak (02:12:20.84)
and just let people tune in as they will or go back and watch it. I bet you could do it. I bet you could do it.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:12:27.438)
I probably could, but I got that going, I the comic going, I got so many things going, I'm only an army of one!

@KeithMalinak (02:12:34.471)
An army of one Ed McCrae professor Ed McCrae

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:12:37.784)
We gotta do this about American folklore figures too, because I have one of the largest libraries of first account American folklore figures from my research on Folked Up America. I have the first appearance of Pecos Bill. And that took me forever to find. And what I love about that is he rolls the cigarette on the tornado in the very first appearance. And that was in the Disney cartoon and they cut that out. But that was in the very first story.

@KeithMalinak (02:12:47.657)
Original source is so important.

I'm telling you man.

@KeithMalinak (02:13:04.598)
That's awesome, man. You.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:13:05.27)
and it's got the illustrations and everything. I mean, I would show this if we come back for that,

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:13:17.13)
If you like this, go back and look at our Walt Disney shows, because we did a lot of this too. went through, I bet at least a third of the runtime of those shows were all the people that worked with Walt Disney that you don't ever hear about.

@KeithMalinak (02:13:27.52)
And that was actually 24 hours worth, because it was 12 episodes at a minimum of two hours each. You're right. So what I will do, what Ed is referencing there on the YouTube channel, it's at the Mike show or at the Mike, I don't know, who knows anymore. But there's a playlist there. And what I will do right now, before I forget, because if I don't do this right now, I will forget.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:13:29.742)
Yeah, well I think it was a little over 24 hours because I... Yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:13:50.914)
Yeah.

@KeithMalinak (02:13:53.994)
i'm gonna post the playlist saving disney history it's twelve episodes me and and talking to you and doing the an incredible presentation of the real history of of what disney so

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:14:06.318)
You know what's funny about that now is since last year where I've been doing all this other stuff with that, I probably have 33 % more Walt Disney history knowledge than we did when we did those. Because I've been finding all these first-hand sources and if you like what I'm doing with the videos, putting together for Walt Disney history, please consider contributing to our Give Sin Go thing where we're grassroots thing, we're going to preserve the history that they're erasing. Because no one else is doing it. And there's nobody else...

@KeithMalinak (02:14:16.33)
Incredible man, I mean...

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:14:36.118)
younger than me that can do it because they don't remember it.

@KeithMalinak (02:14:40.416)
Right, yes, it's getting to the beat like that.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:14:41.102)
I'm as young the youngest I could possibly be to remember all of this You've seen some of the things I posted with you know the stuff with Miley Cyrus and How she changed everything and that just does because I happen to remember I saw that when it was it happened that she thanked Jesus on stages and things but she got awards and then she Did all that other stuff?

@KeithMalinak (02:15:02.176)
Did all that other stuff. Okay. Thanks so much for making time. And thank you for tuning in. We'll get this posted on YouTube and on rumble. You've got the audio versions available, Spotify and iTunes. Please rate and review and tell your friends. And of course, thank you for joining us here on Xtoday for the live stream tomorrow for the Friday live stream, 3pm Eastern. My buddies, Jonathan Haggerty and Adam Johnson. We're going to have some fun with that. And then a week from now,

Ed's the one that made me aware of America's Stonehenge. That will be fun. And, uh... I didn't know. And I was just up in New Hampshire, and I didn't know it was there. I can't wait to talk to the family that owns that site.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:15:36.226)
Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't know about that.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:15:44.782)
When you talk to him, ask him about the cannibals and the Indians and everything. You know, out West, they were... Because I don't know if this will be part of it, because this is out West, where they had the canyons, they were all living in the canyons. That was because they were afraid of the cannibal Indian tribes. You know in the movies where... You know in the movies where the Indian races are handed, says how? What that is about in their folklore, they said there was a...

@KeithMalinak (02:15:55.595)
Yeah.

listen to Ed. He just he's got so much man

@KeithMalinak (02:16:07.069)
Yeah, yeah.

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:16:11.768)
There was a race of cannibalistic giants with red hair in America and they had six fingers on each hand and they were checking to see how many fingers they had on their hand. That's in their own folklore.

@KeithMalinak (02:16:20.648)
Now see that's another one I gotta do an episode I know about the giant but I didn't know it had to do with the fingers and stuff. my gosh

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:16:27.208)
They had six fingers six toes on each appendage. They double sets of teeth and and when the Bible talks about giants it describes them the same way and and Yeah Sorry

@KeithMalinak (02:16:37.25)
This is alright. This is gonna become another episode if we don't stop alright brother. Thanks so much everybody Have a great afternoon or rest of your day, and we'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye Good

@Real_Ed_McCray (02:16:49.998)
Yeah